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<span class="style2">11:07:33 AM gremlin_net: [39] Back.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:07:49 AM latin_of_light: All social animals have heirarchies of signficance and control.<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:07:56 AM gremlin_net: [40] Adding http://gotards.com/Rain20008888 took a while, since it kept adding idiocy while I was working.<br />
</span>11:07:57 AM sweet_potato_programer: [22] rasp is a health nut<br />
<span class="style3">11:08:08 AM latin_of_light: This is probably a natural facet of social groupings for survival.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:08:19 AM writers_clot: [50] Thats my main interest latin<br />
11:08:31 AM writers_clot: [51] Sloan and Sober have a theory called Multilevel Selection Theory<br />
</span>11:08:44 AM chopchip2003: animals are more God conscious than people are<br />
<span class="style1">11:08:45 AM writers_clot: [52] It's about evolution at a group level<br />
</span>11:08:46 AM sweet_potato_programer: [23] brb<br />
11:08:51 AM rain20008888: does it mean i am the oly one survivor hahahahaha<br />
<span class="style2">11:09:02 AM gremlin_net: [41] Not that I'm surprised that rain20008888 had no idea that humans are definititively a species of ape.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:09:09 AM latin_of_light: It's undoubtedly true that humans probably carry a good degree of these natural tendencies, too.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:09:17 AM writers_clot: [53] I have something similar<br />
</span>11:09:19 AM rain20008888: <br />
<span class="style1">11:09:26 AM writers_clot: [54] But I won't disclose the name of it<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:09:33 AM latin_of_light: which probably explains things like class and caste systems in human society.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:09:42 AM writers_clot: [55] Sloan and Sober have tons of holes in their theory<br />
11:09:56 AM writers_clot: [56] Because they neglect the competitive spirit of evolution<br />
</span>11:10:24 AM chopchip2003: people break up into classes because unscrupulous people hoard wealth unjusty and then become arrogant<br />
11:10:47 AM zeus_thundercock: I work so hard for the money\<br />
11:10:59 AM blackarrowforu: how is the life when u live a lone between ppl?<br />
<span class="style2">11:11:01 AM gremlin_net: [42] Technically, it's turning out, through genetic testing, that humans are actually a species of chimp. That should be fun once the textbooks are updated.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:11:06 AM latin_of_light: chop: that is true, but that "hoarding" and "arrogance" is also a survival trait--which complicates the matter.<br />
</span>11:11:23 AM chopchip2003: it is always the most demonic and materialistic people who are willing to kill people to fill the emptiness in their hearts<br />
<span class="style1">11:11:25 AM writers_clot: [57] Species of chimp?<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:11:34 AM latin_of_light: We really are all playing by our deep-rooted instincts.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:11:35 AM writers_clot: [58] We're all primates<br />
</span>11:11:52 AM rain20008888: so you do that chipchop?<br />
<span class="style2">11:11:54 AM gremlin_net: [43] writers_clot: Properly, humans should be moved to Pan sapiens. Though you can guess the political idiocy trying to prevent that.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:12:03 AM writers_clot: [59] I was once saw humans described as underdeveloped primates<br />
</span>11:12:05 AM chopchip2003: i dont believe in evolution at all<br />
<span class="style1">11:12:07 AM writers_clot: [60] That are sexually mature<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:12:14 AM latin_of_light: Gremlin <br />
11:12:17 AM latin_of_light: I love it.<br />
</span>11:12:27 AM zeus_thundercock: evolution is gay<br />
<span class="style2">11:12:51 AM gremlin_net: [44] writers_clot: Not really. Humans are fairly basic primates. Not that 'underdeveloped' makes any evolutionary sense: there's not goal in evolution.<br />
11:13:07 AM gremlin_net: [45] no*<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:13:12 AM writers_clot: [61] Um<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:14:04 AM latin_of_light: Not all chimps, or gorillas are intra-competitive either.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:14:07 AM writers_clot: [62] Whatever, that's so wrong on so many levels....<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:14:19 AM gremlin_net: [46] But the cladistic diagrammes showing humans branching into a species from primates, behind chimps, is outdated. Genetically, humans should branch out from the chimps themselves.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:14:32 AM latin_of_light: A select few choose to be competitive with each other, with the remainder in a group adjusting and accepting their given status.<br />
</span>11:14:36 AM sweet_potato_programer: [24] annie you won't like it<br />
<span class="style3">11:14:42 AM latin_of_light: This has huge implications then.<br />
</span>11:15:04 AM chopchip2003: eternal life does not begin on any specific day; but eternal life is this, transcending time and knowing God. God is the eternal.<br />
<span class="style3">11:15:05 AM latin_of_light: It means that intra-group competition favors the best-advantaged competitors.<br />
</span>11:15:18 AM sweet_potato_programer: [25] near tampa annie it's a shithole<br />
<span class="style1">11:15:33 AM writers_clot: [63] Saying there are "no goals" in evolution <br />
</span>11:15:46 AM sweet_potato_programer: [26] lol annie<br />
11:15:51 AM chopchip2003: if you know God you transcend time and escape the confines of this nasty world<br />
<span class="style1">11:15:53 AM writers_clot: [64] Is like saying a tornado of natural pheomena constructed the human eye<br />
11:16:06 AM writers_clot: [65] That's just an extreme way of looking at natural pheomena<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:16:13 AM gremlin_net: [47] writers_clot: No predetermined goals. It could be argued that the goal is to become or remain fit for an environment; but it's not really something species strive for in advance.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:16:33 AM writers_clot: [66] grem...not you're just saying completely different.<br />
</span>11:16:41 AM sweet_potato_programer: [27] starshipargo did they use a contact taser or a projectile on that big bastard?<br />
<span class="style1">11:16:52 AM writers_clot: [67] Blah<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:16:57 AM gremlin_net: [48] writers_clot: No I'm not. There's still no predetermined goal.<br />
</span>11:16:58 AM zeus_thundercock: if I could wrap nothingnes sup in anything, it would be the form of woman<br />
11:17:00 AM sweet_potato_programer: [28] how long does it take for someone to stand up after being zapped by a regular taser?<br />
<span class="style2">*** sweet_potato_programer will be ignored for 9999 days.<br />
</span>11:17:16 AM bobby_in@ymail.com: hi everbody<br />
11:17:17 AM chopchip2003: but humanity is fallen and God has hidden his face from people, so they have become horrible and violent<br />
<span class="style2">*** chopchip2003 will be ignored for 9999 days.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:17:23 AM writers_clot: [68] You can't call humans "fairly basic primates" and call evolution completely random, without goals....<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:17:32 AM gremlin_net: [49] writers_clot: Apparently I can.<br />
</span>11:17:33 AM zeus_thundercock: and I would stare at it for eternity<br />
<span class="style1">11:17:49 AM writers_clot: [69] gremlin, nothing you're saying even follows.<br />
11:17:54 AM writers_clot: [70] That's the problem<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:17:57 AM gremlin_net: [50] writers_clot: Humans are basic primates because they're not 'underdeveloped'. They're as developed as any primate.<br />
</span>11:18:00 AM rain20008888: sorry but all you say has no solid base, not worth for arguments<br />
<span class="style1">11:18:20 AM writers_clot: [71] gremlin, the reason human births are so painful.....<br />
</span>11:18:29 AM long_bowe: [1] hello room - <br />
<span class="style1">11:18:33 AM writers_clot: [72] Is because women have to accomodate that big head and that big brain<br />
11:18:37 AM writers_clot: [73] Explain that<br />
</span>11:18:40 AM nisurfer: Welcome bowe<br />
<span class="style3">11:18:47 AM latin_of_light: Etcetera: wonderful!<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:18:48 AM gremlin_net: [51] writers_clot: That presupposes that an evolutionary goal is a large head.<br />
</span>11:18:50 AM long_bowe: [2] hello surfer<br />
<span class="style1">11:18:55 AM writers_clot: [74] Explain how we're so utterly hairless and spend considerbly longer in the womb than other species?><br />
</span>11:18:59 AM zeus_thundercock: etcetera, the price of eating from the tree<br />
<span class="style1">11:19:02 AM writers_clot: [75] WTF<br />
11:19:12 AM writers_clot: [76] It presupposes no such thing<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:19:26 AM gremlin_net: [52] writers_clot: Then you tell me the answer: why have humans got large heads?<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:19:31 AM latin_of_light: Etcetera: the current theory that the traumatic experience forces a delicate bond between the mother and child for the years to follow.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:19:46 AM writers_clot: [77] gremlin, what do you really know about evolution is all I'm asking....<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:19:55 AM latin_of_light: Its kind of like people that have traumatic experiences together.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:19:59 AM writers_clot: [78] You speak very boldly, but there's no nuance to what you're saying.,..<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:20:05 AM gremlin_net: [53] writers_clot: I'm a vertebrate palaeontologist. I could be accused of knowing a bit.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:20:07 AM latin_of_light: They end up become emotionally close knit.<br />
11:20:11 AM latin_of_light: becoming<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:20:11 AM writers_clot: [79] <br />
</span><span class="style2">11:20:17 AM gremlin_net: [54] writers_clot: What's the evolutionary goal of bigheadedness in sapiens?<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:20:19 AM writers_clot: [80] God<br />
</span>11:20:21 AM blackarrowforu: any un fair descriptions or chortages in god`s abilities or sadist ideas means false relegion and lost way<br />
<span class="style3">11:20:25 AM latin_of_light: yeah.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:20:27 AM writers_clot: [81] Thanmmks for reminding me why I have such little respect for title<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:20:31 AM latin_of_light: Nature is very inventive.<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:20:45 AM gremlin_net: [55] writers_clot: So, are you conceding, or just processing the question?<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:20:50 AM writers_clot: [82] I didn't say "bigheadedness" was any goal<br />
</span>11:20:54 AM dr.pooky: [16] lol<br />
<span class="style1">11:20:54 AM writers_clot: [83] But I can see it's yours<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:21:19 AM gremlin_net: [56] writers_clot: Then you tell me what it means that humans have large heads, and how it's incorrect to observe that evolution is without predestined goals.<br />
</span>11:21:23 AM dr.pooky: [17] littleheadedness<br />
<span class="style3">11:21:32 AM latin_of_light: Pain during child birth is common among most mammals, actually.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:21:40 AM writers_clot: [84] gremlin.....you can't explain the percision of the human eye....<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:21:44 AM gremlin_net: [57] latin_of_light: Irrelevant to the fantasy, I'm sure.<br />
</span>11:21:45 AM chan_tee_meng: i suffered pain at the gym today<br />
<span class="style3">11:21:48 AM latin_of_light: and virtually all mammals are social, so it makes sense.<br />
</span>11:21:54 AM chan_tee_meng: two kinds physical and mental<br />
11:22:04 AM dr.pooky: [18] chan, something fall on ya?<br />
<span class="style2">11:22:06 AM gremlin_net: [58] writers_clot: I could, if that were the topic. First you have to concede or explain your point.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:22:08 AM writers_clot: [85] Or the extra amount of time in birth women would develop<br />
11:22:12 AM writers_clot: [86] Sexual selection<br />
</span>11:22:13 AM chan_tee_meng: hired a trainer..bad news is that ..so many guys there outclass me..<br />
<span class="style2">11:22:22 AM gremlin_net: [59] Is writers_clot a creatard? I wasn't told.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:22:25 AM latin_of_light: yes, etcetera.<br />
</span>11:22:26 AM chan_tee_meng: my faith as a christian was seriously challenged<br />
<span class="style1">11:22:27 AM writers_clot: [87] Or ANYTHING, operating under the notion that evolution is completely random...<br />
11:22:29 AM writers_clot: [88] It's absurd<br />
</span>11:22:47 AM chan_tee_meng: i mean not seriously..i always believe in jesus..but i just wondered whether i was in his favor..<br />
<span class="style2">11:23:02 AM gremlin_net: [60] writers_clot: 'Without goals' and 'completely random' are unrelated; that's why they're spelled differently.<br />
</span>11:23:04 AM chan_tee_meng: was wondering whether he favored me..that was what i meant<br />
<span class="style1">11:23:26 AM writers_clot: [89] Gremlin, you called humans "fairly basic primates".....absurd...<br />
11:23:35 AM writers_clot: [90] And said evolution is without goals....absurd.<br />
</span>11:23:39 AM dr.pooky: [19] chan, favored you how?<br />
<span class="style2">11:23:45 AM gremlin_net: [61] writers_clot: Okay. Name a goal of evolution.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:23:46 AM writers_clot: [91] All you have is a glib 'tude to back it<br />
</span>11:23:50 AM chan_tee_meng: look there was this ripped guy my age...ok..i mean his muscles were so big..you cant believe the weights he moved..i think most of the guys there might have been stronger than me...<br />
11:24:06 AM chan_tee_meng: i was very very upset at this..and im still upset..having trouble sleeping now..<br />
11:24:28 AM chan_tee_meng: just had a protein shake..but dont know what good it will do...<br />
<span class="style1">11:24:28 AM writers_clot: [92] <br />
</span>11:24:33 AM annie_pio_js: programer, that is why we have women like Lorena Bobbit here to remind men of the pain and suffering some of us women may have to go through <br />
11:24:37 AM chan_tee_meng: i feel like giving up.....<br />
<span class="style1">11:24:38 AM writers_clot: [93] "Name a goal in evolution"<br />
11:24:42 AM writers_clot: [94] What a fucking conondrum<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:24:55 AM gremlin_net: [62] writers_clot: Okay. EIther you're conceding or trolling; and I can't tell which anymore. So I'll suppose that you've given up.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:25:07 AM writers_clot: [95] Evolution: "Survival"<br />
11:25:13 AM writers_clot: [96] Evolution itself is a goial<br />
</span>11:25:19 AM chan_tee_meng: i dont know..i believed i was favored by God...but out there in the real world (in the actual gym).it seemed as though i was horribly outclassed..<br />
<span class="style1">11:25:20 AM writers_clot: [97] I didn't make the declarative statements<br />
11:25:33 AM writers_clot: [98] So I fail to see what I would be conceding<br />
</span>11:25:43 AM chan_tee_meng: i dont even feel like going to church tomorrow..<br />
11:25:44 AM dr.pooky: [20] didnt bobbit cut some guys cock off<br />
<span class="style2">11:25:45 AM gremlin_net: [63] writers_clot: The goal of evolution is evolution? How is that falsifiable? What would prevent evolution from occurring in the event that its goal was missed?<br />
</span>11:26:08 AM zsa_zsa_galore2002: [38] Favored by god. That's so cute!!!<br />
<span class="style1">11:26:31 AM writers_clot: [99] gremlin_net: writers_clot: Not really. Humans are fairly basic primates. Not that 'underdeveloped' makes any evolutionary sense: there's not goal in evolution.<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:26:45 AM gremlin_net: [64] Oh good. It's a spambot now.<br />
</span>11:26:51 AM chan_tee_meng: i mean i have been training hard..you know..by my standards..running..weights..whatever..then i go in..and i must have been one of the weaker or the weakest guys in that gym..besides...it really looked as though i were a novice..with my trainer standing over me..and giving me all kinds of directions<br />
<span class="style1">11:26:54 AM writers_clot: [100] You know what gremlin<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:26:56 AM gremlin_net: [65] Maybe it was its evolutionary goal.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:26:58 AM writers_clot: [101] Just to dazzle you<br />
</span>11:26:59 AM annie_pio_js: programer it's a man's choice to beat the crap out of women too...and then have the possibility of their penis being bitten off <br />
<span class="style1">11:27:03 AM writers_clot: [102] I'm going to post some sources<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:27:04 AM gremlin_net: [66] writers_clot: Try hard....<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:27:13 AM writers_clot: [103] And let you read something besides yourself for once<br />
</span>11:27:14 AM chan_tee_meng: look i have a confession..dont laugh..i cant even do one pullup..<br />
11:27:21 AM dr.pooky: [21] sweet lol<br />
11:27:26 AM zsa_zsa_galore2002: [39] chen, so what?<br />
11:27:27 AM chan_tee_meng: sure i can do pushups..but i cant do one pullup..<br />
<span class="style2">11:27:39 AM gremlin_net: [67] writers_clot: Post a credible source identifying a goal within evolutionary biology; that would be interesting.<br />
</span>11:27:50 AM zsa_zsa_galore2002: [40] In the scheme of things, is it so important to be able to do a pullup?<br />
11:27:56 AM chan_tee_meng: yeah thanks sweet potato..<br />
<span class="style1">11:28:02 AM writers_clot: [104] Time, morphology, and neoteny in the evolution of man http://www.serpentfd.org/a/montagu1955.html<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:28:23 AM latin_of_light: Lorena performed the most unspeakable act that can be performed on a man.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:28:24 AM writers_clot: [105] Growing Young http://www.serpentfd.org/a/montagu1989.html<br />
</span>11:28:46 AM dr.pooky: [22] chan, just let your hair grow like samson<br />
<span class="style1">11:28:50 AM writers_clot: [106] "Ontogeny and Phylogeny" http://www.serpentfd.org/a/gouldstephenj1977.html<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:28:50 AM gremlin_net: [68] writers_clot: The word 'goal' never even appears in http://www.serpentfd.org/a/montagu1955.html in any context.<br />
</span><span class="style3">11:28:54 AM latin_of_light* snickers<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:28:57 AM writers_clot: [107] Where Stephen Jay Gould says it best<br />
</span>11:28:58 AM whitegriffin7: hello down there<br />
<span class="style2">11:29:04 AM gremlin_net: [69] 'goal' isn't in the next one either.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:29:06 AM writers_clot: [108] It's a shame you don't even understand this stuff<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:29:16 AM gremlin_net: [70] Or the third.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:29:30 AM writers_clot: [109] You believe there are flatly "no goals" in evolution<br />
</span>11:29:31 AM annie_pio_js: i think all men who abuse women should have the threat of losing their manhood.<br />
<span class="style2">11:29:38 AM gremlin_net: [71] writers_clot: You posted three links, none of which contained the word 'goal'. Good concession, Sophist.<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:29:42 AM writers_clot: [110] A theory you may understand as "survival of the fittest" even<br />
11:29:44 AM writers_clot: [111] Amazing<br />
</span>11:29:46 AM whitegriffin7: amen annie<br />
<span class="style1">11:29:48 AM writers_clot: [112] <br />
</span><span class="style2">11:29:58 AM gremlin_net: [72] writers_clot: Got anything else, Dummy?<br />
</span><span class="style1">11:30:03 AM writers_clot: [113] I'm amazed people actually listen to you in here gremlin<br />
</span>11:30:07 AM annie_pio_js: whitegriffin knows what im talking about <br />
<span class="style1">11:30:10 AM writers_clot: [114] Because I've seen you here before<br />
</span><span class="style2">11:30:17 AM gremlin_net: [73] So that's a No.<br />
</span>11:30:21 AM whitegriffin7: annie we could nail the offenders parts to a wall of shame<br />
<span class="style2">11:30:27 AM gremlin_net: [74] Right. Off to add a gotard....<br />
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