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09.23.24 the_great_one_85: prove there isnt a god
09.23.29 andynicks2: sorry but i need too go good debating with you and look forward too doing it again take it easy
09.23.34 mars_axis: [32] nope, it's circular
09.23.40 obamainable_apeman: prove there isnt a tooth fairy
09.23.47 the_great_one_85: take it easy andy
09.23.56 andynicks2:
09.23.58 gremlin_net: [52] the_great_one_85: Did you have a specific deity in mind? Jehovah? Quetzalcoatl? Odin?
09.24.08 long_bowe: the watch is an instrument of some guys design - we can locate and speak to guys that create watches
09.24.13 mars_axis: [33] why disprove what's never been proven?
09.24.17 khyber_000: what is difference between supernaturality and metaphysics???
09.24.28 the_great_one_85: what i am saying is..........you cant prove that God doesnt exist
09.24.35 the_great_one_85: so you cant logically say that God doesnt exist
09.24.44 the_great_one_85: and btw.........the christian God@grimlin
09.25.19 gremlin_net: [53] the_great_one_85: Some deities can be disproved. Jehovah, for example, was defined in the bible as a thing in which all people believe by default; I've never believed in it; therefore, by definition, it
09.25.20 gremlin_net: [54] doesn't exist as descibed.
09.25.34 mars_axis: [34] that's like saying, disprove that giant bunnys live on the dark side of the moon
09.25.38 gremlin_net: [55] the_great_one_85: Other deities might be too lacking in details to disprove. Look for one of those, I guess.
09.25.53 the_great_one_85: spock.........if something is proven.......it wouldnt need to be disproven
09.26.21 the_great_one_85: gremlin..........the Christian God
09.26.31 gremlin_net: [56] Nothing needs to be disproved. Anything not yet proved remains mythical until proved factual. It's how the system works.
09.26.32 khyber_000: which is supreme "matter or soul"?
09.26.39 gremlin_net: [57] the_great_one_85: That's Jehovah; I covered that one.
09.27.09 a1981snoutw217: Hello
09.27.11 the_great_one_85: Gremlin.......so gravity was mythical until we understood it?
09.27.34 gremlin_net: [58] the_great_one_85: Essentially, yeah; it was true, but unproved, so mythical.
09.28.03 the_great_one_85: um.........we have no proof of Extraterristial activity on other planets......that doesnt mean that there is no such activity on other planets
09.28.04 long_bowe: first you speak of the "logic" of claiming your god is real....then you claim that theres only the possibility of ONE gods existance....pretty silly logic
09.28.06 samd39souza75:
09.28.08 gremlin_net: [59] the_great_one_85: A better example is the kraken: it was mythical for centuries; then we proved the factual existence of A.dux; it was true all along, but unproved, so mythical until recentlyish.
09.28.18 obamainable_apeman: try explaining your 'theory of gravity' to people that enjoyed hanging scientists and doctors
09.28.22 nusra_ownz_you: [22] for my econ class we're using a canadian book. and all of the little anecdotes that are supposed to get you interested in the material are all
09.28.23 nusra_ownz_you: [23] about canadian stuff.
09.28.25 nusra_ownz_you: [24] this is terrible!
09.28.34 the_great_one_85: well.........lets discuss the reasons
09.28.46 the_great_one_85: i believe that God makes the most sense based on the origin of the universe
09.29.07 gremlin_net: [60] the_great_one_85: Who said there was an origin of the universe?
09.29.20 the_great_one_85: spock..........just because we see life on earth doesnt necessarily mean there is life elsewhere
09.29.42 the_great_one_85: Gremlin.......based on modern cosmology..........we know that the universe had a beginning
09.29.43 long_bowe: an invisible sky poppy creating the universe and everything in it in 6 days is logical to you?
09.29.57 khyber_000: Why TURKEY is a symbol of liberalism?
09.30.00 the_great_one_85: spock.......so.......the universe is infinite?
09.30.05 obamainable_apeman: we guess the universe had a begenning
09.30.07 hunter_the_zombiechick: [47] Gremlin: I'm probably going to need you to identify the things in the pictures I upload.
09.30.09 obamainable_apeman: nothing more
09.30.17 the_great_one_85: no........we know the universe had a beginning
09.30.20 gremlin_net: [61] the_great_one_85: Weird. I don't know that. I don't presuppose that there was ever a time before there was stuff here. To my thinking, the bigbang functionally remodelled the local, observable universe.
09.30.25 obamainable_apeman: there is no solid theory on how the universe came to be
09.30.34 gremlin_net: [62] Hunter: I saw that you uploaded the D.longus.
09.30.52 long_bowe: this god creating a man...and then creating a woman from spare parts is logical to you?
09.30.55 mars_axis: [35] life seems to occur anywhere there is favorable conditions and/or water is present
09.30.56 hunter_the_zombiechick: [48] ...christ. That's a really dull name.
09.31.05 the_great_one_85: actually......the big bang theory has the most empirical evidence supporting it
09.31.07 mars_axis: [36] no gods are needed
09.31.08 christopher_esteban_reeves: lol starship
09.31.08 gremlin_net: [63] mars_axis: And avaialble materials.
09.31.19 mars_axis: [37] grem, yes
09.31.23 christopher_esteban_reeves: lol starship, he won't get off the mic
09.31.35 obamainable_apeman: you ask on one hand for someone to believe in a magical all controlling creator, but on the other have trouble with science not explaining things beyond current levels of understanding?
09.31.39 the_great_one_85: right...........and if the universe is expanding.......there must be a point to which it expanded from
09.31.43 obamainable_apeman: kinda odd logic
09.31.45 khyber_000: why humans need a religion?
09.31.49 the_great_one_85: and there must be a reason why it expanded
09.31.54 gremlin_net: [64] the_great_one_85: The bigbang isn't accused of creating a universe in science; it's an expansion of materials.
09.32.18 youngboy2481: wt is God? is he a person? 'a superman'? or energy? wt is it??
09.32.21 the_great_one_85: right........because science cant go beyond what started the big bang
09.32.33 gremlin_net: [65] the_great_one_85: It really can. But the math gets sticky.
09.32.42 christopher_esteban_reeves: youngboy
09.32.44 hunter_the_zombiechick: [49] D. longus just doesn't have the same interest as Beipiaosaurus inexpectus.
09.32.47 youngboy2481: is spirit has form?
09.32.55 hunter_the_zombiechick: [50] ...which I'll never see at the Denver museum.
09.32.57 christopher_esteban_reeves: quit trolling likeyou're a faggoty little bi curious 13 year old boy, faggot
09.32.59 gremlin_net: [66] Hunter: Not a lot of therizinosaurs at the museum.
09.33.02 the_great_one_85: gremlin........according the big bang model.......space......time......and energy came into being at the big bang
09.33.16 christopher_esteban_reeves: some fags are utterly disgusting....just look at his texts.
09.33.21 gremlin_net: [67] the_great_one_85: We'll let that be your little secret; I and other scientists will go on without you.
09.33.28 hunter_the_zombiechick: [51] Gremlin: yeah. And that's sad. Because they're neat.
09.33.30 the_great_one_85: it is model based on scientific findings@spock
09.33.52 hunter_the_zombiechick: [52] It's just so fucking wrong that the most interesting looking animal there isn't even its own animal.
09.33.54 the_great_one_85: gremlin......this is contemporary cosmology
09.33.56 the_great_one_85: lol
09.33.57 christopher_esteban_reeves: if his neighbors knew that people like that don't deserve to live then I bet they'd just kill that pedo
09.34.05 youngboy2481: so what ever thing which does not have a form does not exist, am I true??
09.34.16 hunter_the_zombiechick: [53] Losing Stygimoloch as a name is a tragedy.
09.34.20 the_great_one_85: spock.........you cant have an infinite amount of regressions
09.34.25 the_great_one_85: there had to have been a starting point
09.34.25 gremlin_net: [68] the_great_one_85: It's a local event within the greater multiverse, which still predates the observable universe.
09.34.39 youngboy2481: yes it can be measured
09.34.47 youngboy2481: brain waves
09.34.53 the_great_one_85: even if we are to say there is a greater universe........what is the origin of that universe?
09.34.54 hunter_the_zombiechick: [54] Ack. Never google 'inexpectus'. It gets you awful spiders.
09.34.56 elegantboy.1371: one girl for frindship chat pm me
09.35.02 the_great_one_85: eventually........you will run out of explanations
09.35.08 gremlin_net: [69] Hunter: A little. S.spinifer was cooler than P.wyomingensis.
09.35.22 the_great_one_85: so there had to be one uncaused cause...........and that uncaused cause cannot be natural
09.35.26 hunter_the_zombiechick: [55] Definitely a better name. And way more interesting-looking.
09.35.30 gremlin_net: [70] the_great_one_85: Multiverse, not universe. So, you're not a cosmologist, I see.
09.35.31 the_great_one_85: spock............but that is logically absurd
09.35.38 the_great_one_85: the actual infinite cannot exist in reality
09.35.47 gremlin_net: [71] Hunter: P.wyomingensis still looks like that. It just has a boring name.
09.35.58 the_great_one_85: multiverse theory has no scientific backing......and is logically absurd
09.36.20 hunter_the_zombiechick: [56] So, what's going on with all that? Did they just run out of the obvious, dull names and start digging into the interesting?
09.36.25 gremlin_net: [72] the_great_one_85: I'm guessing you haven't been to a college at all, let alone worked toward a PhD yet.
09.36.45 hunter_the_zombiechick: [57] Or are the people naming things just more entertaining now?
09.36.46 the_great_one_85: explain how the actual infnite can exist in reality
09.36.59 gremlin_net: [73] the_great_one_85: By lacking borders.
09.37.09 mars_axis: [38] Nature does all things spontaneously, by herself, without the meddling of the
09.37.10 mars_axis: [39] gods.~Lucretius
09.37.23 youngboy2481: great one, I think infinite can exist in this world. example for that is energy/ matter itself. both cannot be created and destroyed. without begining and end (infinity)
09.37.28 a1981snoutw217: Hello
09.37.37 christopher_esteban_reeves: lol
09.37.39 the_great_one_85: im not saying that it cant exist in the mathematical realm........im saying it cant exist in reality
09.37.43 gremlin_net: [74] the_great_one_85: The void of the multiverse, for example, which itself contains all the MatterEnergy, would be infinite.
09.38.04 hunter_the_zombiechick: [58] Ugh. I've got a couple of shots of you pointing at things with your cane, and I can't remember why. I mean, the one with the tail bit, I
09.38.05 hunter_the_zombiechick: [59] kinda remember, but there's another one that's confusing.
09.38.17 gremlin_net: [75] Hunter: Dunno. I'd have to see them.
09.38.39 the_great_one_85: if the universe was infinite........why did the universe begin only 16 billion years ago
09.38.41 the_great_one_85: why not sooner?
09.38.45 gremlin_net: [76] the_great_one_85: So, you're thinking that, if deities exist, they can't be infinite?
09.38.50 mars_axis: [40] Ye shall have miracles, aye, sound ones too, seen, heard, attested, everything but
09.38.51 mars_axis: [41] true.~Thomas Moore
09.38.58 obamainable_apeman: who says 16 billion years?
09.39.04 gremlin_net: [77] obamainable_apeman: Stupid people.
09.39.11 the_great_one_85: what i am saying is........God is eternal...........he is not bound by time
09.39.21 the_great_one_85: the big bang model@ape
09.39.32 gremlin_net: [78] the_great_one_85: So, nothing can be eternal, except for your imaginary friend. Convenient.
09.39.41 youngboy2481: time only exist in our mind
09.39.44 the_great_one_85: transcend time
09.39.59 mars_axis: [42] gods are a figment of the human imagination
09.40.06 the_great_one_85: gremlin.......time had a beginning.......and whatever gave it that beginning had to exist beyond it
09.40.13 the_great_one_85: God is metaphysically necessary
09.41.12 the_great_one_85: either God........or random chance
09.41.25 gremlin_net: [79] the_great_one_85: Here are the flaws in your makebelieve. The observable universe, while remodelled only 13.7billion years ago, is roughly a nothingth of the larger multiverse, which has no evident beginning;
09.41.26 christopher_esteban_reeves: max donny
09.41.29 gremlin_net: [80] the deity you makebelieve to cause the event you're misunderstanding hasn't been shown to exist at all.
09.41.44 the_great_one_85: so you are saying that it is infinite
09.42.07 gremlin_net: [81] the_great_one_85: Yeah. The void comprising the lion's share of the multiverse is infinite, by definition.
09.42.17 the_great_one_85: yeah.......but the odds are so far fetched that to believe in that is to have more faith than believing in a deity
09.42.26 queen_gollie_the_great: Pix
09.42.43 gremlin_net: [82] the_great_one_85: Irrelevant. I don't believe in it; I suspect it, based on the evidence. Personally, I have no faith in anything.
09.42.43 pixie.pie007: Para sis
09.42.57 pixie.pie007: how r u sis ?
09.43.07 the_great_one_85: gremlin.......do you go out to eat?
09.43.10 queen_gollie_the_great: I'm going out soon sis, was waiting on the washing machine to finish and I've just hung me laundry out to dry
09.43.13 gremlin_net: [83] the_great_one_85: Yup.
09.43.15 mars_axis* [43] . o O ( watches "the great one" attempt to baffle the chatroom with bullshit )
09.43.16 the_great_one_85: so..
09.43.26 the_great_one_85: do you test your food for poison before you eat it?
09.43.35 gremlin_net: [84] the_great_one_85: I test it *by* eating it.
09.43.48 queen_gollie_the_great: Just having a smoke and a coffee before I hit the shops
09.43.50 pixie.pie007: ive been watching movies and doing laundry too
09.44.01 the_great_one_85: so........your food could have poison in it..but you have faith that it doesnt
09.44.21 queen_gollie_the_great: Need to run to the cash and carry for a sack of dog food and some wet food
09.44.22 christopher_esteban_reeves: lol donny
09.44.29 gremlin_net: [85] the_great_one_85: Nope. Learn to read, then see above. I eat food; if I don't die as a result, I have reasonable evidence that it wasn't poisoned.
09.44.39 the_great_one_85: lol
09.44.44 ariftrader: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely the Fire of Hell awaits him; therein he will abide in perpetuity
09.44.50 the_great_one_85: what is the reasonable evidence that you had?
09.45.00 the_great_one_85: you dont have reasonable evidence until you know for a fact that it wasnt poisoned
09.45.00 gremlin_net: [86] the_great_one_85: Lack of death as a result of eating.
09.45.01 hunter_the_zombiechick: [60] Gremlin: uploaded.
09.45.04 pixie.pie007: yea i need to dog to the store and get more dog food too mines are eating so much
09.45.09 hunter_the_zombiechick: [61] ...on FB.
09.45.12 ariftrader: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely the Fire of Hell awaits him; there in he will abide in perpetuity
09.45.24 gremlin_net: [87] the_great_one_85: The problem now is that you're assuming that I'm terrified of being poisoned. And, you're wrong.
09.45.25 the_great_one_85: right.........but if you knew that it was poisoned.......you wouldnt of start eating it
09.45.32 queen_gollie_the_great: Plus I have to grocery shopping am out of even the basics like milk and bread#
09.45.42 gremlin_net: [88] the_great_one_85: I don't know that it's poisoned; I eat it and find out along the way.
09.45.51 d1975pperidot331: Hello
09.45.55 gremlin_net: [89] the_great_one_85: Now stop lying about me; it's rude and infantile.
09.45.57 the_great_one_85: i dont think you are terrified of being poisoned........but i also dont think you would eat something that you knew were poisoned
09.45.59 pixie.pie007: yea im going shopping too with sly get home para
09.46.10 ariftrader: read carefully all unbelivers
09.46.12 vabernethy_1977229: Hello
09.46.16 ariftrader: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely the Fire of Hell awaits him; there in he will abide in perpetuity
09.46.18 obamainable_apeman: daftrider sure likes his spamming doom and gloom
09.46.31 queen_gollie_the_great: You missed an intersting debate in here earlier about vicious dogs Sis
09.46.35 christopher_esteban_reeves: spock
09.46.41 the_great_one_85: 1. if you know your food is poisoned......you wont eat it
09.46.44 pixie.pie007: really
09.46.45 gremlin_net: [90] the_great_one_85: I have no reason to suspect that it's poisoned, let alone to know that it's poisoned; as a fieldtest, I eat it and discover through omission of death that it's not likely poisoned.
09.47.04 pixie.pie007: o well para
09.47.09 the_great_one_85: right........but if you knew it was poisoned you wouldnt eat it
09.47.09 christopher_esteban_reeves: 10,000 vlts, spock...10,000 volts
09.47.10 ariftrader: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely the Fire of Hell awaits him; there in he will abide in perpetuity
09.47.23 queen_gollie_the_great: Yep, there's several people in here that have large dogs, mes, Hellz, myself, Earl are all dog owners, Earl has a pitbull too Sis
09.47.36 gremlin_net: [91] the_great_one_85: So? If I knew it was poisoned, then I'd be operating on facts, not faith. You're still wrong that I exhibit faith in anything.
09.47.37 pixie.pie007: o
09.47.40 pixie.pie007: ok
09.47.58 carliem_1985206: Hello
09.48.04 hunter_the_zombiechick: [62] Hell, you'd probably try it just to see if it'd kill you.
09.48.12 the_great_one_85: but you WOULDNT EAT IT
09.48.14 gremlin_net: [92] Hunter: Yeah. I've done that before.
09.48.22 pixie.pie007: well i have ten large dogs
09.48.24 queen_gollie_the_great: max is in need of being put out of his misery
09.48.24 gremlin_net: [93] the_great_one_85: Irrelevant; I still lack faith.
09.48.27 the_great_one_85: just like if you knew that God created the universe.......you wouldnt be on here saying that he didnt
09.48.29 hunter_the_zombiechick: [63] You're kinda...like that.
09.48.45 the_great_one_85: but since you dont know........you accept by faith that he didnt
09.48.49 pixie.pie007: true para
09.48.58 pixie.pie007:
09.49.03 ariftrader: And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely the Fire of Hell awaits him; there in he will abide in perpetuity
09.49.04 hunter_the_zombiechick: [64] So the_great_one_85 is trying the 'atheists have more faith than theists' argument?
09.49.04 gremlin_net: [94] the_great_one_85: Meaningless. I have no reason to suppose that any deities exist, nor to assume that the universe was created; I certainly don't know either of those things.
09.49.12 the_great_one_85: so you are exercising faith when you say that God didnt create the universe
09.49.35 gremlin_net: [95] the_great_one_85: And there's no need to have faith in a negative condition; I just have doubts regarding unevidenced positive conditions.
09.49.38 mars_axis: [44] zzzzzzzzzzz
09.49.39 hunter_the_zombiechick: [65] What is this, retro day? Why the sudden trotting out of the classics?
09.49.48 hunter_the_zombiechick: [66] obeguy_ib: ...not really.
09.49.49 the_great_one_85: ok.........but just because you have no reason to suppose that a deity exist does not logically follow that therefore a deity doesnt exist
09.49.57 the_great_one_85: negative condition?
09.50.02 a1979daceyg383: Hello
09.50.06 the_great_one_85: what makes it negative? because you dont believe in it?
09.50.09 pixie.pie007:
09.50.15 gremlin_net: [96] the_great_one_85: For example: I have doubts regarding the existence of your gay lover. I don't additionally need faith that it doesn't exist. Granted, it could well exist; I just doubt it, seeing no evidence
09.50.15 the_great_one_85: well.........i believe in it........does that make it a positive?
09.50.16 gremlin_net: [97] of it.
09.50.16 youngboy2481: I believe in god and my god is infinity . what ever things we know has a begining and so have an end and again another begining. (infinity) so what ever thing we know is infinity that means even we are infinity. So we are all GOD
09.50.50 the_great_one_85: well........so all you can say is "i dont know whether he has a gay lover"
09.50.50 gremlin_net: [98] the_great_one_85: Your faith in your imaginary friend is a belief in a positive condition. I lack that. I lack also faith in the needless negative condition.
09.50.58 queen_gollie_the_great: Right, this won't do - am off out to hit the shops, laters Sis have a good day there and send my love to Sly! x x
09.51.06 khyber_000: philosophical fighting is going on among the people who will win???????????????
09.51.28 the_great_one_85: well.........then all you are doing is saying that everything is subjective
09.51.30 pixie.pie007: ok sis love ya
09.51.34 pixie.pie007: i will
09.51.34 gremlin_net: [99] the_great_one_85: Obviously.
09.51.38 the_great_one_85: which i agree.......to a certain extent
09.51.39 pixie.pie007:
09.51.44 queen_gollie_the_great: take care babes, will be back on later on x x x
09.51.44 the_great_one_85: well then
09.51.48 gremlin_net: [100] the_great_one_85: I wasn't actually saying that, but it happens to be true.
09.51.54 pixie.pie007: you too
09.51.57 gremlin_net: [101] Or at least logical necessary.
09.52.00 gremlin_net: [102] logically*
09.52.02 pixie.pie007: bbl
09.52.02 hunter_the_zombiechick* [67] tries to figure out why someone is arguing from a 'you say there is no god' with someone saying 'I see no evidence of x'.
09.52.03 the_great_one_85: well......it was implied
09.52.11 the_great_one_85: thats exactly my point
09.52.34 youngboy2481: obeguy, you have to grow your mind. open it let light comes to it . open your eyes its not dark out here its all light ...
09.52.34 the_great_one_85: so when you say that belief in a deity is a negative......then......it is a negative to YOU
09.52.41 the_great_one_85: and vice versa
09.52.59 hunter_the_zombiechick: [68] Might as well scream 'you HAVE to care' to someone who's apathetic.
09.52.59 gremlin_net: [103] Hunter: You don't know? It's simple. By pretending that those lacking faith in X must have faith in NonX, it evens the probability, all matters being unevidenced, that each is wrong. It's a LARP to make
09.53.00 gremlin_net: [104] belief in goblins or whatever seem less retarded.
09.53.19 the_great_one_85: spock............so if God doesnt exist why is it wrong for me to be a serial killer
09.53.19 mars_axis: [45] nature does fine without any help from "gods"
09.53.22 hunter_the_zombiechick: [69] Gremlin: I put those pictures on FB. If you've got any information, you could probably comment over there.
09.53.31 gremlin_net: [105] the_great_one_85: A belief in a deity is a positive presupposition, not negative.
09.53.36 the_great_one_85: obe..........god did it
09.53.57 the_great_one_85: it is a positive presupposition to the beholder
09.54.04 gremlin_net: [106] the_great_one_85: The point is that it's needless to possess positive beliefs in negative conditions. You can simply doubt the veracity of the positive condition.
09.54.24 hunter_the_zombiechick: [70] "If god doesn't exist, then laws don't matter! Ar har har har! I'm such a scummy person, only my fear of hell keeps me from putting my dick
09.54.25 hunter_the_zombiechick: [71] in a newborn!"
09.54.32 mars_axis: [46] grem, well said
09.54.40 gremlin_net: [107] the_great_one_85: And, I don't presume that it's wrong to be a serial killer.
09.54.51 hunter_the_zombiechick: [72] That is not the argument you want to use if you're trying to appear to be the better person.
09.54.57 the_great_one_85: you cant explain the origin of natural law by science
09.55.14 hunter_the_zombiechick: [73] Who said anything about natural law.
09.55.25 the_great_one_85: gremlin.......good job.......so if i become a serial killer.......i am not wrong
09.55.28 hunter_the_zombiechick: [74] I was talking about societal constructs. Man-made rules and regulations.
09.55.30 youngboy2481: hunter, whether god exist or not, for our survival we will creat laws according to the time.
09.55.40 gremlin_net: [108] Hunter: No one. That's why it's safe to pretend that it had an origin. No one cares enough to deny the stupid hunch.
09.55.41 mina_cans: hunter such hypocrit
09.55.44 mars_axis: [47] Theology: An effort to explain the unknowable by putting it into terms of the not
09.55.45 mars_axis: [48] worth knowing. ~H. L. Mencken
09.55.46 hunter_the_zombiechick: [75] ...which, of course, religion falls into.
09.55.49 the_great_one_85: um.......gravity........thermodynamics operate under natural law
09.55.54 gremlin_net: [109] the_great_one_85: Not so far as I'm subjectively concerned.
09.55.54 hunter_the_zombiechick: [76] mina_cans: I'm a what now?
09.56.10 d1975pperidot331: Hello
09.56.12 hunter_the_zombiechick: [77] the_great_one_85: you can't explain science with science? What?
09.56.13 mina_cans: two of us
09.56.20 the_great_one_85: ok then........gremlin.......we agree
09.56.26 hunter_the_zombiechick: [78] mina_cans: there's two of you?
09.56.32 the_great_one_85: hunter..........i said you cant explain the ORIGIN with science
09.56.44 mina_cans: how many women do expose children to it
09.56.54 only1illusion: mr gr8 1 will u bother to answer meee
09.56.56 only1illusion: ???
09.57.04 gremlin_net: [110] the_great_one_85: I don't even consider it 'wrong' that you lied about me having faith. Laughable, infantile, rude, and tasteless; not 'wrong' in any subjectively moral sense.
09.57.07 hunter_the_zombiechick: [79] the_great_one_85: I rather suspect that they can. Certainly much better than 'well, goddidit.'
09.57.15 the_great_one_85: gremlin........so without God there are no objective moral values then........right
09.57.30 only1illusion: mr gr8 1??
09.57.37 gremlin_net: [111] the_great_one_85: Right. Morality is subjective by defintion. Also, it's fluid.
09.57.37 mina_cans: should i kill
09.57.40 only1illusion: cnt u tk d pain
09.57.42 mina_cans: and stay straight
09.57.44 only1illusion: to chat
09.57.45 hunter_the_zombiechick: [80] And, again, I was speaking of man-made laws. Thermodynamics has nothing to do with kiddiefucking and serial murder.
09.57.48 only1illusion: wid meee??
09.57.53 the_great_one_85: hunter........you cant explain the origin of something by using the subject of interest itself
09.58.01 mina_cans: or kill every second to be a hypocrit
09.58.10 the_great_one_85: ahhhhhhhh Gremlin.........so are there objective moral values?
09.58.12 carliem_1985206: Hello
09.58.15 gremlin_net: [112] the_great_one_85: Nope.
09.58.24 only1illusion: ohk
09.58.28 only1illusion: thn gh
09.58.36 gremlin_net: [113] the_great_one_85: Is there someone there who can read TO you? This doesn't seem to be working.
09.58.39 mina_cans: throw ing atom bomb would be wasting the future a tought on it
09.58.40 the_great_one_85: so raping a child is not objectively wrong?
09.58.51 only1illusion: excuse me
09.58.56 hunter_the_zombiechick: [81] ...you can't explain equine evolution using equines? Oh-kay.
09.58.59 only1illusion: thts ur view
09.59.01 gremlin_net: [114] the_great_one_85: Nope. It's fully subjective. The guy doing it, as an example, seems to be okay with it.
09.59.02 only1illusion: nt mine
09.59.10 mars_axis: [49] yo durty, how goes it
09.59.14 the_great_one_85: ohhhhhhh ok
09.59.18 christopher_esteban_reeves: only1illusion is Ignored because "I put on Ignore" posted 4 times (since in Room)
09.59.24 durtyolman2010: [9] hey mars
09.59.25 the_great_one_85: ok........gotcha
09.59.27 the_great_one_85: wow
09.59.33 mina_cans: far beyond right and wrong
09.59.34 the_great_one_85: good stuff
09.59.52 durtyolman2010: [10] I see little evidence of objective morality
09.59.53 the_great_one_85: hunter........you cant explain the origin of man by using a man
09.59.57 the_great_one_85: thats what i mean
10.00.06 mina_cans: is who pick less damage i that case
10.00.12 a1979daceyg383: Hello
10.00.30 durtyolman2010: [11] origin of man is traced to other primates
10.00.33 mina_cans: to see even less
10.00.39 mina_cans: of loosers
10.00.57 the_great_one_85: i dont believe that........but even if i did.....the primate is the origin of the man.......not the man
10.01.00 durtyolman2010: [12] obe, based on a lot of science
10.01.02 the_great_one_85: so my point stands
10.01.06 gremlin_net: [115] durtyolman2010: As a first step. Ultimately, it's traced to Precambrian infusoria.
10.01.07 hunter_the_zombiechick: [82] And you just restated what I said, substituting H. sapiens for E. ferus caballus.
10.01.39 gremlin_net: [116] the_great_one_85: Someone disagreed with your point that homosapiens evolved from protohuman primates?
10.01.39 mars_axis: [50] i'm still waiting for "the great one" to prove god exists
10.01.40 durtyolman2010: [13] lol grem
10.01.42 yourdoc00: Islamm is clever............. as wjhny we will KILL allah asses they cdant debate nor stand on a merit
10.01.48 yourdoc00: NY Nigga
10.01.59 the_great_one_85: im still waiting on someone to disprove the existence of God
10.02.05 gremlin_net: [117] mars_axis: The proof was that the universe began, and blaming that on goblins would be silly.
10.02.08 durtyolman2010: [14] obeguy, a lot more than that, dna studies as well
10.02.11 yourdoc00: Kick me....................................... I will KILL 1000 for ya Isolamic ass
10.02.15 yourdoc00: bet
10.02.21 yourdoc00: Nigga
10.02.41 mars_axis: [51] all i've seen so far from "the great one" is babbling bullshit
10.02.43 yourdoc00: want ya allah ass to remember
10.02.50 gremlin_net: [118] the_great_one_85: I did that in the beginning: Jehovah is defined as something in which everyone believes; in fact, only about 28% of people believe in it; by its definition, it doesn't exist.
10.02.52 yourdoc00: when ya ass runs
10.02.54 the_great_one_85: if the universe began.......there had to be an explanation of its beginning
10.03.02 hunter_the_zombiechick: [83] durty: they did genetic testing on a really primitive fish, and, if I remember correctly, found the same limb genes.
10.03.06 yourdoc00: and ya willlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
10.03.16 yourdoc00: nIGGA
10.03.20 the_great_one_85: well first of all...........that isnt the case grem
10.03.23 christopher_esteban_reeves: hunter_the_zombiechick is Ignored because "I put on Ignore" is on Client:YHLT Version:330.5 posted 83 times
10.03.27 durtyolman2010: [15] obe, it sure lends that idea a lot of support
10.03.31 the_great_one_85: where did you get that flawed definition from lol
10.03.33 yourdoc00: uya need a Koran
10.03.45 gremlin_net: [119] the_great_one_85: It is the case: the definition is incorporated in the bible, which is the source mythology for Jehovah.
10.03.46 yourdoc00: m w will send 1 on a 500 lb
10.03.50 yourdoc00: ya read it
10.03.52 hunter_the_zombiechick: [84] the_great_one_85: so, because you say so, the answer must be 'god', because you can't stand to say the more intellectually honest 'I don't
10.03.53 hunter_the_zombiechick: [85] know, let's try to find out.'
10.03.54 yourdoc00: Nigga
10.03.58 the_great_one_85: show me the scripture lol
10.04.09 yourdoc00: ya will w9ith 72
10.04.18 hunter_the_zombiechick: [86] Sly.
10.04.43 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [1] Hunter.
10.04.46 yourdoc00: nah ... ya can read from the Moon ya ass eyes will be near
10.04.50 the_great_one_85: hunter.........even if i didnt believe in God......i would have a hard time believing in this nonintellecutal random occurence that atheist believe in either lol
10.04.54 durtyolman2010: [16] hunter, that kind of stuff still amazes me, makes me think we don't really know much about how genetics work yet
10.05.02 durtyolman2010: [17] hey sly
10.05.05 yourdoc00: al;lah will help
10.05.06 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [2] Hey Durty.
10.05.26 hunter_the_zombiechick: [87] the_great_one_85: perhaps you'd be a little more informed about what atheists think. But I was never much for faith in silly ideas, so I'm not
10.05.27 hunter_the_zombiechick: [88] really going to expect that, either.
10.05.32 yourdoc00: we all LOVE Allah
10.05.40 yourdoc00:
10.05.44 the_great_one_85: hunter........that is what you must believe as a atheist
10.05.49 the_great_one_85: it is the default position
10.05.52 yourdoc00: MY 44 does
10.05.53 gremlin_net: [120] the_great_one_85: I don't believe in a random occurrence. Which one are you talking about?
10.05.59 hunter_the_zombiechick: [89] the_great_one_85: because you say so?
10.06.12 the_great_one_85: if there is no God........yet.......we are here......that would mean that we are here by mere chance......randomness
10.06.14 hunter_the_zombiechick: [90] obeguy_ib believes I'm male.
10.06.25 vabernethy_1977229: Hello
10.06.28 hunter_the_zombiechick: [91] Shitty mindreader, that one.
10.06.40 hallowed_attribution: hunter youre too liberated...it confuses the other males
10.06.49 hallowed_attribution: know your role
10.06.49 the_great_one_85: gremlin........if God doesnt exist.....we are here by a nonintellecutal occurence.......a process that took billions of years to get just right
10.06.52 durtyolman2010: [18] obe, bullshit
10.06.58 hunter_the_zombiechick: [92] hallowed_attribution: that, and my awesomely large cawk.
10.07.05 hallowed_attribution: lol
10.07.11 hunter_the_zombiechick: [93] the_great_one_85: what makes you think this is 'right'?
10.07.13 gremlin_net: [121] the_great_one_85: First, it's binary; one to zero isn't terribly random. Second, I don't bother believing in it, since it's credible enough to suspect.
10.07.15 mars_axis: [52] I love it when theists define what atheists think
10.07.18 hallowed_attribution: zoiks, yo.
10.07.19 durtyolman2010: [19] great one, who said anything about getting things right?
10.07.31 the_great_one_85: what?
10.07.31 gremlin_net: [122] the_great_one_85: You're claiming that your imaginary friend is intellectual?
10.07.35 mars_axis: [53] like they know what every atheist thinks
10.07.41 the_great_one_85: the universe is fine tuned for our existence
10.07.44 durtyolman2010: [20] obe, better than the lame crap you post as if it was an argument
10.07.45 hunter_the_zombiechick: [94] Because you can't concieve of yourself being anything other than 'right', I suppose. Typical human arrogance.
10.07.45 the_great_one_85: it didnt have to be
10.07.47 the_great_one_85: yet it is
10.08.04 hallowed_attribution: every atheist thinks exactly the same thing at the same time duh
10.08.06 gremlin_net: [123] the_great_one_85: No it's not. The overwhelming majority of the universe will kill you dead in yoctoseconds.
10.08.10 hallowed_attribution: the generalization is accurate
10.08.18 durtyolman2010: [21] great one, the universe is not fine tuned for humans, that is ridiculous
10.08.23 carliem_1985206: Hello
10.08.24 gremlin_net: [124] the_great_one_85: So, Jehovah is intellectual? How? Has it got a brain?
10.08.25 the_great_one_85: right.......but this one is fine tuned for OUR existence
10.08.42 the_great_one_85: God is a immaterial spirit
10.08.50 gremlin_net: [125] the_great_one_85: So, it hasn't got a brain?
10.08.56 the_great_one_85: no
10.09.04 the_great_one_85: a brain is matterial
10.09.10 youngboy2481: My dear friends, still believing in creation? a creation out of vaccum???
10.09.11 durtyolman2010: [22] obe, you seem to be 14
10.09.15 gremlin_net: [126] the_great_one_85: How is your brainless imaginary friend intellectual? Where does it store its thoughts?
10.09.15 mars_axis: [54] durty, the Universe doesn't even know humans exist
10.09.24 durtyolman2010: [23] mars really
10.09.37 hunter_the_zombiechick: [95] 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
10.09.43 the_great_one_85: it doesnt have to store thoughts........it is a mind
10.10.07 mars_axis: [55] humanity is like a grain of sand
10.10.20 hunter_the_zombiechick: [96] Douglas Adams.
10.10.24 youngboy2481: can we create anything? we can only change its apprearence. (only evolution and no creation)
10.10.25 gremlin_net: [127] the_great_one_85: A mind is the sum total of exant thoughts as arced across a physical storagebase of memories, most commonly called a brain. Your imaginary friend being brainless, that can't be the case.
10.10.26 a1979daceyg383: Hello
10.10.45 rsulmanriaz: salam to alll
10.10.59 the_great_one_85: grem........so when you get angry........are "you" angry.......or is your brain angry?
10.11.06 gremlin_net: [128] the_great_one_85: Both.
10.11.24 gremlin_net: [129] Not that I really get angry. I'm not especially emotional.
10.11.26 the_great_one_85: so my car can get angry?
10.11.29 rsulmanriaz: salam ll
10.11.30 hallowed_attribution: anger is a series of symptoms
10.11.39 gremlin_net: [130] the_great_one_85: Your car has a brain?
10.11.40 rsulmanriaz: salam t o all
10.11.51 rsulmanriaz: in the room
10.11.57 hallowed_attribution: the result of lil fagholes asking stupid repetitve questions for example
10.12.13 youngboy2481: obeguy, where is your mind?
10.12.13 the_great_one_85: so who walks around saying "my brain is really sad today"
10.12.24 gremlin_net: [131] the_great_one_85: Accurate pedants.
10.12.25 youngboy2481: where is your soul?
10.12.32 the_great_one_85: that doesnt happen.......your brain is the tool used to process thoughts while you occupy your body
10.12.33 hunter_the_zombiechick: [97] You make my brain cranky.
10.12.47 durtyolman2010: [24] great one, why are you trying to divide up a being into separate parts?
10.12.51 hunter_the_zombiechick* [98] has said that before. Many, many times.
10.13.02 gremlin_net: [132] the_great_one_85: Also, to date, it's the only tool capable of doing that. Though we're working on organic computers.
10.13.02 the_great_one_85: but when your spirit leaves your body.......it takes on a immaterial form
10.13.06 rsulmanriaz: salam to all at room
10.13.11 gremlin_net: [133] the_great_one_85: I haven't got a spirit.
10.13.36 rsulmanriaz: any one to chat in poetry
10.13.39 the_great_one_85: so you think
10.13.44 durtyolman2010: [25] I drank all my spirits last night, liquor store isn't open yet so I can get more
10.14.03 gremlin_net: [134] the_great_one_85: I tested negative for spirits. All I have are thoughts and memories, stored and processed in my brain.
10.14.06 durtyolman2010: [26] great one, as opposed to how you think
10.14.07 mars_axis: [56] if you repeat a line of bullshit enough times, it become a truth
10.14.14 youngboy2481: so when our brain changes its form (after death), what happen to our souls?
10.14.32 yourdoc00: ww back oik whos GHod is betterZ/
10.14.36 rsulmanriaz: wo kon hy
10.14.42 yourdoc00: must an ancieant ass
10.15.07 hunter_the_zombiechick: [99] Becca.
10.15.09 mars_axis: [57] it's possible to bullshit gods into existance by repetition
10.15.10 rebecca_the_nontheist: [1] Hunter.
10.15.11 yourdoc00: which we all KNow as a in froma an alian to a towel ass
10.15.25 yourdoc00: m Nigga cant figure\
10.15.36 hunter_the_zombiechick: [100] Becca: it seems to be classics day. Trotting out all the old arguments. Not sure why that is.
10.15.39 rebecca_the_nontheist: [2] "'Things do not exist simply because you believe they do!' thus sayeth the magical being in the sky.'
10.15.46 mars_axis: [58] yo mr mindblanky
10.15.50 rebecca_the_nontheist: [3] Hunter: It's as good a day as any.
10.15.55 rebecca_the_nontheist: [4] Mindblank.
10.15.58 hunter_the_zombiechick: [101] But, hell, it let me quote Douglas Adams.
10.16.03 yourdoc00: welm a chariot of fire
10.16.06 rebecca_the_nontheist: [5] And I quoted Futurama.
10.16.10 hunter_the_zombiechick: [102] That makes any day a bit shinier.
10.16.27 vabernethy_1977229: Hello
10.16.29 mars_axis: [59] mr, we're having a bit of a religious debate here today
10.16.33 yourdoc00: God as any Jew says is from above and on wheels
10.16.36 gremlin_net: [135] I guess that's the end of that. I'll go look at the fossils now.
10.16.45 yourdoc00: or a cloud
10.16.49 youngboy2481: max so what, everybody wants freedom
10.16.49 d1975pperidot331: Hello
10.16.52 hunter_the_zombiechick* [103] gets into a violent argument about Douglas Adams being better than Futurama.
10.17.10 rebecca_the_nontheist: [6] "Better than" is a subjective evaluation.
10.17.11 yourdoc00: huis as . we will do his IQ'
10.17.15 yourdoc00: we close
10.17.26 rebecca_the_nontheist: [7] yourdoc00 is clearly a fucking genius.
10.17.29 rebecca_the_nontheist: [8] I stand in awe.
10.17.38 yourdoc00: he nneds his neck broke on a mythical horse
10.17.40 hunter_the_zombiechick: [104] Why? Because I say so, goddamnit.
10.17.51 honey_lovely_leo: hey its sweet honey
10.17.52 rebecca_the_nontheist: [9] That's as good a reason as any.
10.18.01 gremlin_net: [136] Hunter: D.longus; A.fragilis with puncture from S.stenops; E.annectens with wound from T.rex.
10.18.04 rebecca_the_nontheist: [10] honey_lovely_leo: Do you know that "Leo" is a male name?
10.18.20 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [3] Rebecca, you sure that isn't a bot?
10.18.26 yourdoc00: wow. has been goijhn 9o0n for at least 300 years 9in my free country\
10.18.27 hunter_the_zombiechick: [105] Gremlin: oh. And they're both healed, aren't they?
10.18.28 rebecca_the_nontheist: [11] I am not.
10.18.30 honey_lovely_leo: its my star dude
10.18.32 gremlin_net: [137] Hunter: Yeah.
10.18.37 rebecca_the_nontheist: [12] "Dude?"
10.18.40 yourdoc00: ya jusy now gettin sum
10.18.41 rebecca_the_nontheist: [13] "Rebecca" is a female name.
10.18.42 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [4] Yeah, dude.
10.18.48 mars_axis: [60] durty, liquior stores aren't open 24/7 in NYC?
10.18.51 yourdoc00: bot time Nigga
10.18.55 gremlin_net: [138] the_great_one_85: So, you're done lying about me, I take it?
10.19.06 rebecca_the_nontheist: [14] Lee: Is that your Halloween name?
10.19.11 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [5] Rebecca, you know it.
10.19.13 rebecca_the_nontheist: [15] Or are you trying to pick up chicks?
10.19.16 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [6] Heh.
10.19.26 yourdoc00: yha Liberal ass s hit will and has ruined all
10.19.27 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [7] Chicks don't want a charming or sensitive man.
10.19.28 rebecca_the_nontheist: [16] You're not fooling anybody, I just want you to know that.
10.19.34 rebecca_the_nontheist: [17] I clearly don't.
10.19.38 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [8] I'm not trying to fool anyone.
10.19.38 gremlin_net: [139] Maybe it took my advise and went to outsource the reading part....
10.19.40 rebecca_the_nontheist* [18] coughs.
10.19.47 mars_axis: [61] mr, you missed most of it, it was mainly grem & "the great one" debating
10.19.48 hunter_the_zombiechick: [106] Gremlin: might want to, like, post that shit to help clarify since I lack the education to identify this shit from fragmentary photos.
10.19.57 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [9] I'm an asshole. Deal with it.
10.20.00 yourdoc00: as a NEW Nigga Pres. I knew as most. now l.]\
10.20.05 yourdoc00:
10.20.08 yourdoc00: next
10.20.15 gremlin_net: [140] Hunter: Could be worse: You could think the universe was created sixteen billion years ago by brainless deities.
10.20.16 rebecca_the_nontheist: [19] yourdoc00 = Zeta.
10.20.27 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [10] Rebecca, seems that way.
10.20.31 yourdoc00: yha have a tat
10.20.31 christopher_esteban_reeves: hen peckuh rebecca?
10.20.35 a1979daceyg383: Hello
10.20.35 yourdoc00: ya way smart
10.20.46 gremlin_net: [141] mars_axis: Actually, I'm gonna go add it to gotards.com; it'll be there for posterity.
10.20.47 rebecca_the_nontheist: [20] christopher_esteban_reeves: Do you speak english?
10.20.49 yourdoc00: I have scars
10.21.06 hunter_the_zombiechick: [107] How the fuck did you know that was an Allosaur? Is it somehow obvious from the bone, or do you just know the display.
10.21.15 the_great_one_85: i want to challenge grem to a debate.......on a public forum
10.21.19 hunter_the_zombiechick: [108] Christ. You probably know their official designations.
10.21.22 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [11] When you moved my monitor, you lost a piece of my tooth.
10.21.27 mars_axis: [62] grem, sounds like a plan
10.21.31 rebecca_the_nontheist* [21] looks at Lee.
10.21.35 yourdoc00: wee did Duke.................... PARA Head
10.22.01 rebecca_the_nontheist: [22] Why did you have a piece of your tooth.. on the desk..
10.22.01 hunter_the_zombiechick: [109] the_great_one_85: great. There's one of those over at gremlin.et, actually.
10.22.01 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [12] Where else was I going to keep it? Wasn't going back in my mouth.
10.22.01 the_great_one_85: really
10.22.01 hunter_the_zombiechick: [110] Becca: that's a very good question. One that needs answering.
10.22.02 rebecca_the_nontheist: [23] The trash?
10.22.03 yourdoc00: in fact was tested as a ........ almost
10.22.07 hunter_the_zombiechick: [111] *gremlin.net, that is.
10.22.11 sly_charming_sensitive_man: [13] No! It's mine!
10.22.13 mars_axis: [63] mr, it was the first "debate" i've seen in here in ages
10.22.15 rebecca_the_nontheist: [24] Or if you really wanted to keep it, in like.. a jar or something?
10.22.15 gremlin_net: [142] the_great_one_85: You did; you lost; gonna go make it more public now....
10.22.23 yourdoc00: means I was a 12 above ya ass
10.22.27 the_great_one_85: I CHALLENGE GREMLIN OR HUNTER TO A DEBATE ON A PUBLIC FORUM
10.22.29 the_great_one_85: OR ANYBODY
10.22.35 mars_axis: [64] of couse grem kicked his ass
10.22.41 hunter_the_zombiechick: [112] the_great_one_85: I pointed out where you can do it. Go ahead.
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