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09.49.14 onewhoseeks62: How many others ( besides me ) think that American Doctors kill more people than they cure?
09.49.27 nobiwan911: [90] Lissi: There's a student job website I'm checking out. It has this resume builder thing you have to do. But I can save it for later, that's good.
09.49.35 goochs_dad2001: [59] onewho: any evidence for that? Statistics?
09.49.40 sadie_mott: [25] neat nob
09.49.41 waytoomuchof: [24] samurai_man_machine: yes, you are, You're teaching us how stupid you are
09.49.47 goochs_dad2001* [60] nods to waytoo
09.50.04 nobiwan911: [91] One: I think you're fucking paranoid beyond belief if you really think that.
09.50.19 harold_adrian_philby: and, of course, scifi is taking samurai's side
09.50.26 rowan_ste_julian* is back
09.50.30 onewhoseeks62: well no...No HARD evidence...Just counting personal experiences over past 5 years...
09.50.48 gremlin_net: [1] onewhoseeks62: How many times have you died over the past five years?
09.50.55 sadie_mott: [26] laughs
09.50.59 goochs_dad2001: [1] ugh, killed the wrong window there. Stupid me
09.51.01 onewhoseeks62: <<NONE...But have lost MANY friends
09.51.04 adorable_megab_tch* [108] pats Kelly.
09.51.27 gremlin_net: [2] onewhoseeks62: To what? Raging plagues and other things no one ever cured?
09.51.35 harold_adrian_philby: gooch...the plasma currents shifted your hand
09.51.49 goochs_dad2001: [2] ha! Good one, ralph
09.52.02 slushyninetysi: im 21/f and i will be taking off my clothes on cam for u guys >
09.52.31 romanyaiz: حد مصر
09.52.41 harold_adrian_philby: samurai...what do any of those things have to do with the assertion that space is mostly plasma?
09.52.53 vox_speaks_now: durty did you see the plane?
09.52.56 onewhoseeks62: No...Not exactly...Two to malpractice ...Wrong medicines...mis-diagnosis (lawsuits in process )..3 to nursing home neglect...One to a combination of prescribed drugs and alcoholism...
09.53.09 aquarius22nasir: hi hello
09.53.15 aquarius22nasir: me frm dubai uae
09.53.17 onewhoseeks62: ( Drugs prescribed by a doctor who KNEW the patient was alcoholic )
09.53.22 goochs_dad2001: [3] samurai: it isn't? And your evidence for this is....?
09.53.23 aquarius22nasir: any body wana talk to me
09.53.24 harold_adrian_philby: samurai...again, what does that have to do with the assertion that space is mostly plasma?
09.53.36 goochs_dad2001: [4] aquarius: we might, just sit back and join in.
09.53.40 vox_speaks_now: the sun is a nuclear furnace dummy. it is converting hydrogen into helium
09.53.48 nobiwan911: [92] One: Still the alcoholic's fault for drinking. The doctor is only responsible to warn the patient.
09.53.50 goochs_dad2001: [5] samurai: which ones make that claim? I read them all the time, since I'm a science teacher.
09.53.52 gremlin_net: [3] onewhoseeks62: So, that's six against everyone who didn't die yesterday due to myriad cures discovered in the last couple centuries.
09.54.21 goochs_dad2001: [6] samurai: if you can't back up your bullshit with evidence, I'm just going to have to ignore your moronic nonsensical spewage
09.54.29 onewhoseeks62: good lord...Can you count ' cures' that would have gotten well ANYWAY as CURES by the medical profession?
09.54.33 nobiwan911: [93] Gremlin: I'm skeptical on the nursing home neglect, too. I've seen that tossed around way too fucking lightly.
09.54.34 vox_speaks_now: hydrogen converting to helium release the sun's energy
09.54.37 harold_adrian_philby: oh, samurai is a 'the moon landing was fake', fuckwit, too
09.54.56 goochs_dad2001: [7] ok, time to ignore the idiot <click>
09.54.57 gremlin_net: [4] onewhoseeks62: Yeah. Your criteria was people killed by doctors in relation to people cured.
09.55.05 nobiwan911: [94] One: If someone's in a nursing home, they can no longer be cured.
09.55.10 vox_speaks_now: i thought we killed all of the samurai idiots in ww2
09.55.16 onewhoseeks62: On the oTHER hand, should deaths by misdiagnosis, drugs that have more harmful side effects than benefits, be counted as mURDER?
09.55.21 vox_speaks_now: sci..yes indeed
09.55.40 nobiwan911: [95] No.
09.55.45 nobiwan911: [96] At best that is malpractice.
09.55.49 gremlin_net: [5] onewhoseeks62: If you wanna tighten that up, we can compare people cured per prescription to people beaten to death by doctors hitting them with aardvarks.
09.55.50 vox_speaks_now: nob
09.55.53 onewhoseeks62: ...Okay
09.56.03 gothic_vixn02: [1] nobi
09.56.07 nobiwan911: [97] Vox
09.56.08 nobiwan911: [98] Gothy
09.56.09 onewhoseeks62: Should death by malpractice be treated as MURDER?
09.56.11 vox_speaks_now: sci..it has happened many times
09.56.16 goochs_dad2001: [8] bk: which is birds?
09.56.27 gremlin_net: [6] onewhoseeks62: Not really. Murder has a specific definition.
09.56.44 vox_speaks_now: aal..we know, dont we?
09.57.06 quaint711312: [2] samuri - soon it's going to be commonplace for long distance flights to go beyond the Van Allen belt - allow the planet to rotate under the plane or shuttle - and then re-enter the
09.57.09 adorable_megab_tch: [109] Sabby.
09.57.09 adorable_megab_tch: [110]
09.57.11 onewhoseeks62: Well...I have serious misgivings about our helath system...and I am aging...a bad position to be in IMHO
09.57.13 nobiwan911: [100] samurai_man_machine: You could try Somalia, instead.
09.57.14 gothic_vixn02: [2] row
09.57.18 mars_axis: [66] · suspects "samurai is on his mommie's computer
09.57.19 goochs_dad2001: [9] onewhoseeks obviously doesn't actually know any doctors
09.57.25 durtyolman58: [14] back
09.57.28 durtyolman58: [15] hey kelly
09.57.29 goochs_dad2001: [10] hiya, durty!
09.57.35 quaint711312: [3] atmosphere - so all your so called *Van Allen Belt* horror is crap
09.57.41 sadie_mott: [27] mornin durty
09.57.42 adorable_megab_tch: [111] doity
09.57.44 onewhoseeks62: Au contraire, gooch...i am personal friends with three physicians...
09.57.44 vox_speaks_now: durty..did you see that plane in the water?
09.57.46 durtyolman58: [16] hiy bk
09.57.55 durtyolman58: [17] hey sadie, clink !
09.57.57 gremlin_net: [7] onewhoseeks62: So? That has little to do with doctors murdering people by leaving them the choice to take pills or not.
09.58.01 nobiwan911: [101] One: Have you told them that they're murderers?
09.58.03 durtyolman58: [18] adorable rowan
09.58.04 goochs_dad2001: [11] onewhoseeks: and have you talked to them about your idea of treating malpractice deaths as murders?
09.58.20 quaint711312: [4] samuri - again - when that happens you promise to never come to this chat room again?
09.58.24 durtyolman58: [19] murder has always been base on intent
09.58.29 goochs_dad2001: [12] yep, durty
09.58.32 gremlin_net: [8] Kelly: Talking to a lawyer about that might get better answers.
09.58.36 vox_speaks_now: durty
09.58.45 durtyolman58: [20] hi vox
09.58.55 harold_adrian_philby: 'do the math' is a meaningless statement, unless you are actually talking about math
09.58.58 goochs_dad2001: [13] yeah, grem, but I want onewhoseeks to actually have to deal with the people he is accusing
09.58.59 quaint711312: [5] samuri I have - and as soon as that kind of long distance flight becomes common place - then what will you have to bitch about?
09.59.01 vox_speaks_now: durty..i asked a question
09.59.15 durtyolman58: [21] malpractice may be can be claimed as manslaughter one day
09.59.18 gremlin_net: [9] Kelly: That's not in a conspiratard's nature.
09.59.20 durtyolman58: [22] but not murder
09.59.23 goochs_dad2001: [14] yep, grem
09.59.29 durtyolman58: [23] vox, I missed it
09.59.39 durtyolman58: [24] hey sci lol
09.59.43 vox_speaks_now: well, get it durty
09.59.44 nobiwan911: [102] Well, I'm gonna go wake up my husband.
09.59.46 onewhoseeks62: I have not called them murderers....Of course not...But I have discussed the percentage of deaths/versus cures in THEIR practices...Neither have had persons with MINOR ailments wind up dead under their care...But I have seen several that HAVE...and it disturbs me
09.59.48 adorable_megab_tch: [112] bye nobs, have fun!
09.59.49 nobiwan911: [103] Good day, all.
09.59.57 nobiwan911: [104] Heh, I'm gonna try
10.00.18 goochs_dad2001: [15] onewhoseeks: you didn't answer my question.
10.00.28 sadie_mott: [28] we probaby all are, theo
10.00.33 durtyolman58: [25] vox, only saw pics of it, didn't go out just to see it
10.00.37 sadie_mott: [29] i sure feel crazy lately
10.00.46 vox_speaks_now: ty durty
10.00.50 gremlin_net: [10] onewhoseeks62: You're slanting your criteria. You want all deaths to be murder, but only direct, intended, realtime cures to be cures. That you haven't got smallpox is off your grid.
10.00.54 durtyolman58: [26] bk, yeah
10.01.00 onewhoseeks62: sorry, gooch...Must have missed it...would you repeat
10.01.07 sadie_mott: [30] oh no
10.01.12 arabiannights79: what i didn't read now
10.01.20 arabiannights79: Art of happiness
10.01.37 arabiannights79: the book of howard C
10.01.42 onewhoseeks62: i took a smallpox vacination in 1950... ...BEFORE the American Medical System went to crap...
10.01.45 durtyolman58: [27] bk, he taught flying too, flew props, knows how to glide
10.01.46 vox_speaks_now: if i was a doctor you would have to waive any malpractice suit or you can go shit in your hat
10.01.51 arabiannights79: about Dalai Lama
10.02.00 goochs_dad2001: [16] onewhoseeks: you didn't miss it, you just didn't read it very carefully. Scroll up.
10.02.03 gremlin_net: [11] onewhoseeks62: So? Who gave it to you? Unamerican doctors?
10.02.15 arabiannights79: howard write that toughts are cemical reaction of brains
10.02.22 durtyolman58: [28] bk, he was old school.... bet a lot of new hotshots couldn't do it
10.02.26 arabiannights79:
10.02.33 arabiannights79: what if i get suecide
10.02.34 onewhoseeks62: No...My family physician...( God rest his soul )...dr. John Lillard ( also of snail darter fame )
10.02.45 feudalamanpasha: i am with you samurai
10.02.52 vox_speaks_now: durty he was a jet fighter pilot same as dubya bush
10.02.56 arabiannights79: i think his holiness have us in narren house
10.02.59 harold_adrian_philby: one...have you considered the possibility that we've taken care of all the easy things to cure and prevent, and now we just have to hard cases left?
10.03.05 harold_adrian_philby: the
10.03.22 vox_speaks_now: we burned those samurai out of the caves on iwo jima
10.03.23 durtyolman58: [29] vox, give me abreak, bush got his wings because of who his father was, he couldn't fly a kite
10.03.27 arabiannights79: not tought produce cemical opposite sad Howard
10.03.37 aal_returns: Vox
10.03.40 onewhoseeks62: Of course treating malpractice deaths as murders would be a hard sell...to the legal profession as well as the medical profession...
10.03.42 gremlin_net: [12] onewhoseeks62: So, the latest goalpost is all deaths against cures handed out directly by doctors in the US in the last X years? Now you're getting close to manipulating your hypothesis into potential.
10.03.44 arabiannights79: i will tray to miss howard
10.03.45 armeniaisdream: hi
10.03.48 vox_speaks_now: aal..what?
10.03.57 sadie_mott: [31] glad i have vox ignored, cant take him and ann coulter in the same day
10.04.15 armeniaisdream:
10.04.20 arabiannights79: America is america
10.04.20 vox_speaks_now: i used to help build jet engines for the f4 phanthom fighter
10.04.20 durtyolman58: [30] onewhoseeks62 it would be throwing out a lot of legal precedent, it's a dumb idea
10.04.24 sadie_mott: [32] ok theo
10.04.25 arabiannights79: up side down
10.04.29 mars_axis: [67] · sadie, no shit
10.04.31 arabiannights79: doc ya
10.04.31 femme.politik: [7] Medicine is a 'practice.' Doctors are human. There will be malpractice deaths. The vast majority are not intentional.
10.04.44 vox_speaks_now: would you like some ann coulter quotes?
10.04.52 durtyolman58: [31] femme, right, intent is what is used to define murder
10.04.57 gremlin_net: [13] onewhoseeks62: Murder is killing someone, intentionally, without the victim's help. Malpractise is in most cases overestimating a patient's ability to follow directions.
10.05.01 onewhoseeks62: Hmmmmm..... ....i fail to see how ANY mathematics ccurrently offered can support or disprove my statement...do you all agree that the medical profession in US is better than average?
10.05.07 sadie_mott: [33] oo i love patsy cline theo
10.05.10 arabiannights79: now i must change my reason to read this book
10.05.12 vox_speaks_now: ann coulter is hated because of her superior intelligence
10.05.16 mars_axis: [68] · nothing is more boring then hearing some old asshole babbling about WWII
10.05.19 arabiannights79: witch cimical do i drink
10.05.23 vox_speaks_now: same as me and aal
10.05.26 sadie_mott: [34] such a nice voice
10.05.34 gremlin_net: [14] onewhoseeks62: Average for the planet? Easily. Few countries match the US; less exceed it.
10.05.43 onewhoseeks62: Methijnks you are beeing argumentative just for arguments sake...
10.05.43 durtyolman58: [32] vox, coulter is maybe as inteligent as palin ... in other words, a total idiot
10.05.44 femme.politik: [8] The fucked up insurance company scheme is the problem. I need an ultrasound right now due to pelvic pain. My insurance wont cover it.
10.05.54 gremlin_net: [15] onewhoseeks62: Then you're wrong about that too.
10.06.04 dimplelovely2000: any teen boys with cam pm me ok only with cam ok
10.06.04 femme.politik: [9] $200 out of pocket? Don't have it. I live in the richest country on Earth and can get a needed, cheap diagnosis procedure.
10.06.07 femme.politik: [10] Til I save up a bit.
10.06.10 femme.politik: [11] In the mean time, I hurt.
10.06.15 femme.politik: [12] God bless the USA!
10.06.16 onewhoseeks62: ...S
10.06.17 vox_speaks_now: durty..if you think they are bad look at caroline dipshit kennedy
10.06.18 aal_returns: Vox ...i liked your comment about having smoked out those fearless samurai in Iwo Jima (and Okinawa)
10.06.34 gothic_vixn02: [3] no kidding femme.
10.06.38 arabiannights79: must say whole India is on the floure out of bibel they sad
10.06.53 dimplelovely2000: any teen boys with cam pm me ok only with cam ok
10.06.55 waytoomuchof: [25] vox believes jesus would have nuked the Japanese too
10.06.56 vox_speaks_now: aal..mainly on iwo. on okinaw we forced them to jump off of the cliffs
10.06.58 onewhoseeks62: Story of my life... ...WRONG AGAIN...
10.06.59 sadie_mott: [35] i'll bet
10.07.00 durtyolman58: [33] vox, she isn't dumb enough to claim a governor has military experince cause of the national guard
10.07.04 aal_returns: hehehe
10.07.05 onewhoseeks62: Just ask ANY of my ex-wives
10.07.14 arabiannights79: yes dead
10.07.21 adorable_megab_tch: [113] waitaminit
10.07.21 arabiannights79: i have indian
10.07.22 mars_axis: [69] · femme, you have a health issue?
10.07.24 durtyolman58: [34] hiya waytoomuchof
10.07.27 vox_speaks_now: aal.. a dead jap is a good jap eh?
10.07.33 waytoomuchof: [26] hey durtyolman58
10.07.35 gremlin_net: [16] onewhoseeks62: I'm not being argumentative at all. I'm just trying to prompt you into defining your terms and sticking with them.
10.07.41 aal_returns: Vox ...we need some of them to build cars
10.07.47 durtyolman58: [35] femme, that on top of everything else going on, damn
10.07.48 arabiannights79: now just imagen to speak serious
10.07.50 vox_speaks_now: aal..and we brought christianity to japan and korea
10.07.53 onewhoseeks62: <<Needs no prompting...Just stating an opinion...
10.08.01 onewhoseeks62: Which I STILL hold
10.08.13 vox_speaks_now: aal..the christian japs are the car builders
10.08.13 aal_returns: Vox ...christianity has had a huge impact on S Korea ...less so in Japan
10.08.14 durtyolman58: [36] onewhoseeks62 an opinion based on a lack of knowledge of teh terms you use
10.08.19 arabiannights79: some psiho tim in america can fuck up the relations like that
10.08.20 onewhoseeks62: Your arguments have done nOTHINg to dissuade me
10.08.24 femme.politik: [13] mars_axis: Endometriosis. Had an ovarian cyst removed about 8 years ago. General pelvic pain.
10.08.26 gremlin_net: [17] onewhoseeks62: Opinions are kinda meaningless without supporting facts.
10.08.34 waytoomuchof: [27] durtyolman58: just like kallaaac used to do
10.08.39 vox_speaks_now: aal.. the largest christian church is in south korea
10.08.41 arabiannights79: they just lought
10.08.46 viperablondi: well who is mean here and keep booting people?
10.08.53 arabiannights79: our science is in hell
10.08.54 durtyolman58: [37] way, yep lol, hopefully it's not him
10.08.57 onewhoseeks62: durtyolman...I ammaking the observation from my PERSONAL opinions...No scholarly work on my personallife has been done...YET...
10.09.18 mars_axis: [70] · femme, ahhh, i'm familiar with that
10.09.19 aal_returns: uh-huh Vox ....ole fat buddha is losing out to the son of god
10.09.24 durtyolman58: [38] onewho, well you don't knwo what the term murder means, yet you throw it around as if you did
10.09.24 vox_speaks_now: femme..dont birth control pills caause endometriosis?
10.09.28 aal_returns: hey RBE
10.09.38 taciturn_bastard: [1] Lame.
10.09.46 vox_speaks_now: aal.. buddha only attracvts morons
10.09.53 onewhoseeks62: THAT is an altogether ATROCIOUS assumption
10.09.59 arabiannights79: or your emotional shise mashroom
10.10.22 vox_speaks_now: patsy cline is sooo 19th century
10.10.22 gremlin_net: [18] onewhoseeks62: The alternative is that you do know what murder means, and that you're misusing the word intentionally.
10.10.30 aal_returns: yes Femme ..dont birth control pills caause endometriosis?</moral implication>
10.10.30 adorable_megab_tch* [114] pricks up her ears.
10.10.37 adorable_megab_tch: [115] I heard an asshole and was NOT DISAPPOINTED!
10.10.42 vox_speaks_now: rbe
10.10.44 taciturn_bastard: [2] lol
10.10.48 taciturn_bastard: [3]
10.10.48 durtyolman58: [39] onewhoseeks62, you have completely disregarded every post to you that pointed out murder requires an intent to kill, it wa not a fals accusation of your position
10.10.59 taciturn_bastard: [4] So how was it crazy in here?
10.11.04 gremlin_net: [19] onewhoseeks62: It's easy enough to find out. Define murder, as you understand the word.
10.11.06 vox_speaks_now: aal..seriously, i think it does cause that
10.11.32 vox_speaks_now: which is poetic justice for adultery
10.11.37 onewhoseeks62: hahaha...Grasping on ONE misuse of a legal term by a non-legal does not prove YOUR arguments any more than MY observations prove MINE
10.11.44 aal_returns: Vox...one of our Lords ironies at work
10.12.00 vox_speaks_now: aal..you bet
10.12.02 gremlin_net: [20] onewhoseeks62: So, it's no longer atrocious to assume that you misunderstood the meaning of murder?
10.12.03 femme.politik: [14] All sorts of things cause endometriosis. It's not very well understood.
10.12.08 gothic_vixn02: [4] how the hell did james end up in iggy.
10.12.09 femme.politik: [15] But many women who never take hormonal BC get it.
10.12.17 onewhoseeks62: your just being argumentative for agument's sake...I fail to see the usefulness in that
10.12.20 adorable_megab_tch: [116] Sab, your chat client was working to spare you.
10.12.27 durtyolman58: [40] duh one, that was a ridiculous response, your position that it is murder is not defensable. on iggy with you for your intentional ignorance
10.12.31 gothic_vixn02: [5] row: must have been
10.12.34 adorable_megab_tch: [117]
10.12.40 adorable_megab_tch* [118] is going to suffer today
10.12.57 gremlin_net: [21] onewhoseeks62: Okay. Then we'll go back to your original stupid question. No: you're the only one who thinks that American doctors kill more people than they cure. Anything else?
10.13.01 onewhoseeks62: Since when is having an opinion contrary to durty-ol-man's ingnorance?
10.13.04 durtyolman58: [41] it's musrder because one wants it to be, forget the laws
10.13.26 mars_axis: [71] · femme, I just know it can be painful (endomtriosis)
10.13.33 onewhoseeks62: Thank you...Other than the INSULT ( Unecessary ) that is all I wanted to hear...thank you
10.14.10 gremlin_net: [22] onewhoseeks62: Was it unnecessary? Maybe your question can sue me for malpractise while you're suing doctors.
10.14.23 onewhoseeks62: What bunch of pompous asses...Inflated opinions of their own worth...\
10.14.24 femme.politik: [16] Yeah. It's just a constant dull pain in my lower abdomen. Never really unbearable, just constant. Like something is pinching my organs.
10.14.25 femme.politik: [17] Blah.
10.14.32 durtyolman58: [42] spock, who was convicted without proving intent?
10.14.47 femme.politik: [18] I hear having a baby is a decent cure for it. I just gotta get knocked up.
10.14.55 gremlin_net: [23] onewhoseeks62: Right. Mean, evil, santimonious us, declining to join your conspiratarded reindeer games.
10.15.01 adorable_megab_tch* [119] offers Femmeh a turkeybaster of Bastard.
10.15.06 taciturn_bastard: [5] Hah!
10.15.08 durtyolman58: [43] volunteers to help femme
10.15.10 adorable_megab_tch* [120] snickers.
10.15.11 gothic_vixn02: [6] it cures it for a while anyway.
10.15.15 gremlin_net: [24] sanctimonious*
10.15.16 durtyolman58: [44] lol rowan
10.15.16 femme.politik: [19] I'm sterile right now kthxbai.
10.15.21 gremlin_net: [25] Just woke up. Mostly.
10.15.23 taciturn_bastard: [6] lol
10.15.27 mars_axis: [72] · femme, life is hard enough without that bullshit, are you a veteran?
10.15.42 durtyolman58: [45] spcok, yeah and he want to proseute bush, which I like teh diea, but it don't fly
10.15.50 femme.politik: [20] mars_axis: Nope. And boss just cut back on our health insurance. Right as I needed it most. Really lame.
10.16.01 vox_speaks_now: aal..google helps to counter most bullshit
10.16.03 gremlin_net: [26] And, it ran away. I'll go syndicate it into reruns....
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