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7:20:12 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: you think Stalin was being worked from behind the scene?
7:20:36 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: tyrants grasp at complete control
7:20:37 AM lsd_blotter: In all fairness, so are you.
7:20:37 AM beheaded_dwarf: [1] stalin was this rock and roll singer ,, but i dont remember with what band,,,
7:20:37 AM tonsils_are_useless: Seeker: Stalin was way more clever than most people think
7:20:48 AM gremlin_net: [1] Back.
7:20:50 AM tonsils_are_useless: He left thousands upon thousands of anoted books
7:20:50 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: of course he was.. he was not a puppet
7:20:55 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: he was the puppet master
7:21:12 AM beheaded_dwarf: [2] stalin just killed a few millions people,,,
7:21:13 AM gremlin_net: [2] Stalin thought Stalin was being worked from behind the scenes; he was a Russian Orthodox Catholic.
7:21:25 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: stalin killed over 20 million
7:21:28 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: far more than hitler
7:21:43 AM beheaded_dwarf: [3] cool guy
7:21:52 AM tonsils_are_useless: Beheaded I'm not disputing that, but there's this commonplace cliché that Stalin was some kind of dope, which he wasn't
7:22:10 AM beheaded_dwarf: [4] wouldnt know about the dope,,,
7:22:23 AM beheaded_dwarf: [5] i read he was jewish
7:22:53 AM shadian_god: i believe that all religions are all deviations of one original religion and i am determined to find out what that one is. notice that many of the old religions share many traits? polytheistic with many of the gods having the same roles. most of the old cultures never met. what does that tell you?
7:23:06 AM lsd_blotter: What about the intangibles of thought? Ideas, principals, ethics etc.
7:23:09 AM shadian_god: and its instant
7:23:19 AM shadian_god: ties into emotion
7:23:19 AM gremlin_net: [3] shadian_god: Oxenworship.
7:23:58 AM one_who_seeks_meaning: the men around hitler may have been occultists.. though even that is up for debate.. but does that prove that they organized their empire around occultic themes, ideas. etc
7:24:02 AM shadian_god: no, its proven
7:24:05 AM lsd_blotter: But it is also observable reality.
7:24:16 AM shadian_god: right
7:25:08 AM rabble_rouser2001: [1] shadian, I agree. The truth has been severely perverted thru the ages.
7:25:09 AM beheaded_dwarf: [6] the earth is flat,,, and in the center of the universe
7:25:20 AM gremlin_net: [4] shadian_god: I've got private messaging blocked. Partly to avoid popups from people figuring they get to spam me without notice.
7:25:32 AM shadian_god: get an idea of what it could be, but how could it lead to 100 someodd different religions
7:25:37 AM shadian_god: i get*
7:25:49 AM paul_canada2000: earth is not flat
7:26:22 AM shadian_god: my eyes is well dressed
7:26:24 AM shadian_god: lol
7:26:45 AM lsd_blotter: I dispute that. Why should “creation” be a scientific theory?
7:26:50 AM beheaded_dwarf: [7] sure is,,, flat and standing on the shoulder of 4 elephant themselves standing on a giant turtle
7:26:58 AM gremlin_net: [5] lsd_blotter: No reason at all.
7:27:43 AM gremlin_net: [6] To be a scientific theory, idiotic design would have to be proved. To be a scientific hypothesis, it would have to be falsifiable. It's neither. It's a myth.
7:27:49 AM shadian_god: and am i to believe that the planet is sitting under a large norse tree too?
7:27:51 AM lsd_blotter: You just admitted creationism is naive.
7:28:00 AM tonsils_are_useless: Dwarf: The issue I have with this theory is that it doesn't explain much
7:28:12 AM beheaded_dwarf: [8] lol
7:28:22 AM tonsils_are_useless: Where did the turtle come from? Do the elephants need feeding?
7:28:25 AM beheaded_dwarf: [9] it would explain earthquake in those days
7:28:28 AM tonsils_are_useless: And so on and so forth
7:28:29 AM beheaded_dwarf: [10] lol ton
7:28:46 AM beheaded_dwarf: [11] i dont know what those people were thinking
7:28:48 AM shadian_god: ..and god said, pull my finger
7:28:49 AM mortician_1974: in science?
7:28:54 AM mortician_1974: how is it testable?
7:29:04 AM beheaded_dwarf: [12] right bilbo
7:29:07 AM tonsils_are_useless: I think you end up with more unanswered questions than when you started
7:29:10 AM shadian_god: define 'heathen'
7:29:16 AM mortician_1974: non jew
7:29:24 AM lsd_blotter: Open, it’s very testable. *thwacks you with a bible* God said so.
7:29:29 AM mortician_1974: hahh
7:29:32 AM mortician_1974: typical
7:29:32 AM shadian_god: o.O
7:29:33 AM beheaded_dwarf: [13] most of their scientific theory end up like that,,, ton
7:29:36 AM mortician_1974: and snakes talk
7:30:07 AM tonsils_are_useless: Bilbo, God must be mildy irritated against Britain because we had an earthquake a couple of weeks ago across England
7:30:09 AM shadian_god: ironic....rabble rouser left the argument
7:30:17 AM mortician_1974: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
7:30:20 AM weela88: WHAT ARE U TAKING ABOUT
7:30:25 AM tonsils_are_useless: A couple of chimneys fell and someone hurt his leg
7:30:27 AM mortician_1974: thast exactly what they are BELIEFS
7:30:27 AM lsd_blotter: A heathen is someone who does not adhere to whatever religion you want him to.
7:30:34 AM lsd_blotter: So everyone is a heathen to someone.
7:30:41 AM shadian_god: right
7:30:47 AM shadian_god: thats what i wanted to hear
7:31:06 AM lsd_blotter: I figured that.
7:31:13 AM laedawg: [17] a pagan is a gay heathen
7:31:16 AM beheaded_dwarf: [14] the craziness of all these religions is that all of them say they are the only true one,,,
7:31:17 AM no_beliefs: why would an Almighty God be irritated?
7:31:17 AM mortician_1974: atheism is not a belief
7:31:20 AM no_beliefs: i don't get it
7:31:21 AM mortician_1974: its a lack of belief
7:31:22 AM shadian_god: excuse you?
7:31:30 AM no_beliefs: would not the irritation be God's 'choice'
7:31:47 AM gremlin_net: [7] Atheism's not a belief. Also, nonsmoking's not a habit.
7:31:48 AM lsd_blotter: For a lack of belief though, you sure do debate it actively.
7:31:48 AM no_beliefs: if God is Almighty, how could He/She/It be irritated
7:31:48 AM shadian_god: you have aproblem with pagans lae?
7:31:56 AM beheaded_dwarf: [15] god should use some preparation h if he's irritated
7:32:05 AM laedawg: [18] only the ones that don't hit on me
7:32:12 AM shadian_god: o.O
7:32:12 AM no_beliefs: gremlin, i disagree
7:32:16 AM mortician_1974: If I were to say to you, "Santa Claus doesn´t exist", I am making an assertion, and a bold one at that: I am absolutely affirming that the being known as Santa Claus does not exist. That is a claim, and, incidentally, an indefensible one
7:32:19 AM gremlin_net: [8] no_beliefs: By choice, I suppose.
7:32:32 AM ezraperson: nic, are you seeing a mental doctor
7:32:34 AM no_beliefs: i realize there seems to be a concerted attempt to morph 'atheism' to mean lack of belief
7:32:44 AM no_beliefs: but that is not what i have known it to be
7:32:44 AM shadian_god: im right here
7:32:45 AM shadian_god: lol
7:32:50 AM mortician_1974: It is absolutely impossible to prove the non-existence of Santa Claus, and it is therefore wrong to positively claim that he doesn´t exist
7:32:53 AM shadian_god: <sn joke
7:33:05 AM mortician_1974: I dont make the claim that god doesnt exist
7:33:05 AM lsd_blotter: For the atheists here, are you familiar with Pat Condell?
7:33:06 AM no_beliefs: i have always considered atheism as active - an assertion that there is no God
7:33:09 AM gremlin_net: [9] mortician_1974: It's a bit defensible. We know that Santa died. We don't know that other mythological entities ever lived at all.
7:33:12 AM shadian_god: yes
7:33:14 AM mortician_1974: there might be a ZEus
7:33:18 AM lsd_blotter: You might want to check out his youtube page.
7:33:22 AM mortician_1974: I could be wrong about OSIRIS
7:33:37 AM no_beliefs: <<<< doesn't recognize gremlin's authority to speak for what 'we know'
7:33:37 AM shadian_god: ah, Odin God Zues and Ra i feel are all one and the same
7:33:41 AM gremlin_net: [10] no_beliefs: Literally, atheism is 'without theism'; 'without deital beliefs'.
7:34:10 AM lsd_blotter: Atalas, as a druid, what do you believe in, if anything?
7:34:15 AM gremlin_net: [11] no_beliefs: I don't presume what you know. Though I have a suspicion or two.
7:34:16 AM no_beliefs: gremlin, i think i'll consider Merriam Webster's definition with more weight than yours.
7:34:16 AM mortician_1974: Atheism is literally a-theism, meaning "lack of theism" or "lack of belief in God or gods". Atheism is not a claim; it is merely a statement of withheld belief
7:34:32 AM shadian_god: Osiris, Hades, and Satin are possibly one and the same as well
7:34:37 AM no_beliefs: gremlin, you presume it when you state what we all know
7:34:44 AM tonsils_are_useless: Bilbo: what about people who don't believe in witchcraft? A-witchcraft-ists?
7:34:45 AM gremlin_net: [12] no_beliefs: Yeah. You probably will. It would be easier.
7:34:47 AM shadian_god: norse had to many war gods to have a death god
7:34:48 AM lsd_blotter: But several self-proclaimed atheists do not adhere to the definition of atheism.
7:34:52 AM no_beliefs: perhaps if you stated what you know and leave 'we' out of it
7:35:13 AM gremlin_net: [13] no_beliefs: I shoulda clarified. I'd meant 'we the educated'.
7:35:16 AM laedawg: [19] Vidar is my fav norse God
7:35:18 AM beheaded_dwarf: [16] im an dontknowist
7:35:36 AM shadian_god: Tir is my fav
7:35:43 AM lsd_blotter: For someone who simply lacks belief in theism, many atheists are very assertive and militant.
7:35:46 AM shadian_god: Lae, are you accepting IMs?
7:35:46 AM no_beliefs: <<< does not recognize gremlin's authority to speak for either 'we' or 'the educated'
7:35:46 AM gremlin_net: [14] beheaded_dwarf: So's everyone else, really; 'agnostic' is a useless term.
7:35:51 AM no_beliefs: campfire gas
7:35:58 AM no_beliefs: methane
7:36:03 AM gremlin_net: [15] no_beliefs: We the educated don't really care.
7:36:13 AM beheaded_dwarf: [17] gnostis is something too
7:36:17 AM no_beliefs: sounds right to me
7:36:21 AM beheaded_dwarf: [18] gnostism
7:36:25 AM gremlin_net: [16] no_beliefs: Good.
7:36:43 AM no_beliefs: <<< does not recognize gremlin's authority as arbitor of 'good'
7:36:46 AM no_beliefs: my job
7:37:09 AM beheaded_dwarf: [19] its nice out ,,, im out for a walk,,,, later all
7:37:10 AM mortician_1974: many atheists are very assertive and militant.thast true
7:37:13 AM gremlin_net: [17] No one has authoritative arbitration on 'good'; it's subjective and opinionated. Duh.
7:37:25 AM mortician_1974: some claim to know for a fact there is no god
7:37:42 AM no_beliefs: <<< does not recognize gremlin's authority to pontificate upon the nature of 'good'
7:37:43 AM ezraperson: all I know is that I love sunshine
7:37:44 AM lsd_blotter: Many atheists are antitheists too.
7:37:51 AM no_beliefs: campfire gas
7:37:53 AM tonsils_are_useless: Banjo: your lack of understanding comes from the fact that people even NAME "atheism". It isn't a thing. It shouldn't have a name.
7:37:53 AM gremlin_net: [18] mortician_1974: Those are antitheists. I don't get where they find the time for that.
7:37:55 AM ezraperson: sunshine makes me feel wise
7:38:04 AM hal9000servicelogician* [2] does not recognize no_beliefs authority as arbiter of authorities
7:38:06 AM aaaaafiremanjoe: most atheists are in fact "anti christian
7:38:13 AM tonsils_are_useless: It also stems from your intellectual dishonesty by the way
7:38:19 AM no_beliefs: aaa, did you take a poll?
7:38:22 AM lsd_blotter: Anti-Christian strikes me as rather understandable.
7:38:23 AM mortician_1974: I am an anti christ
7:38:24 AM no_beliefs: hal, as well you should not
7:38:24 AM hal9000servicelogician: [3] joe; that's a load of horse shit
7:38:31 AM droopy_bollocks:
7:38:31 AM lsd_blotter: Same with anti-Islam.
7:38:33 AM no_beliefs: that's your job for you
7:38:34 AM gremlin_net: [19] Technically, an atheist can't be antitheistic. You can't lack beliefs about deities while maintaining a belief in their negative condition.
7:39:03 AM no_beliefs: antitheist does not imply lack of belief to me
7:39:10 AM no_beliefs: lack of belief to me is agnostic
7:39:12 AM mortician_1974: When someone calls himself an atheist, he is merely saying that he doesn´t subscribe to the god-belief. That is a far cry from positively asserting that God doesn´t exist.
7:39:14 AM no_beliefs: now weak atheist
7:39:19 AM shadian_god: noone can remain indifferent about something like this gremlin
7:39:21 AM no_beliefs: not lower atheist
7:39:26 AM no_beliefs: ag fuggen notic
7:39:26 AM lsd_blotter: Antitheism means opposition to theism.
7:39:37 AM lsd_blotter: As opposed to lack of belief in theism.
7:39:39 AM gremlin_net: [20] no_beliefs: Uh, we just covered that. Antitheists don't lack beliefs; they maintain beliefs regarding negative conditions.
7:39:42 AM lsd_blotter: You can be both.
7:40:01 AM tonsils_are_useless: Open: I don't like the "profession of faith" implied by giving "atheism" a name... there isn't a name for someone who does not believe in witchcraft
7:40:02 AM no_beliefs: gremlin, i do not recognize your authority to speak to definition of antitheists
7:40:09 AM gremlin_net: [21] shadian_god: I remain indifferent about it. And, for that matter, roughly everything else.
7:40:09 AM no_beliefs: i do not agree with your definition
7:40:27 AM gremlin_net: [22] no_beliefs: No one cares what you fail to recognise. Stop trolling.
7:40:28 AM aaaaafiremanjoe: atheists could care less about hinduism or ,they will even subscibre to buddhism etc .. but they hate Jesus and hate God because they know its true i Guess -shrug
7:40:32 AM tonsils_are_useless: It isn't a thing not to subscribe to certain preposterous beliefs that OTHERS hold
7:40:48 AM no_beliefs: gremlin, you utterly dim clod, i do not recognize your authority to speak for others
7:40:51 AM lsd_blotter: Gremlin, you can be both.
7:40:54 AM mortician_1974: like a-unicornist
7:41:02 AM gremlin_net: [23] no_beliefs: Then you're in for a surprise. Watch this....
7:41:03 AM hal9000servicelogician: [4] joe speaks much shit, I see
7:41:06 AM gremlin_net: [24] And no_beliefs goes into the killfile for irrevocable stupidity.
span>*** no_beliefs will be ignored for 9999 days.
7:41:09 AM lsd_blotter: Antitheism is opposition to theism, whereas atheism is lack of belief in it.
7:41:13 AM mortician_1974: Im an aleprechunaist
7:41:18 AM droopy_bollocks:
7:41:19 AM aaaaafiremanjoe: atheists call themelves rational and freethinkers live their life etc blah for life itself ...then TROLL christians chats and aites
7:41:21 AM gremlin_net: [25] My authority is legendary. I make morons invisible.
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