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13.40.58 intangible_chaos: There is tons of evidence LOGICALLY for God's existence.
13.41.06 intangible_chaos: I.E. KALAM ARGUMENT
13.41.13 gremlin_net: [8] intangible_chaos: Nothing I've seen to date.
13.41.20 tahirmylink: waytomuch and if you deny its obligatory for others to accept it?
13.41.20 waytoomuchof: [10] tahirmylink: evidence is evidence. Belief and bullshit holy books aren't evidence of anything
13.41.20 intangible_chaos: Kalam argument
13.41.21 malikulkitaaab: [25] intangile, enlighten me please.
13.41.23 intangible_chaos: unmoved mover
13.41.24 intangible_chaos: etc.
13.41.28 durtyolman58: [1] there is no logical argument in support of tehre being a god
13.41.44 gremlin_net: [9] intangible_chaos: What logical evidence points to deities while excluding goblins in the same role?
13.41.44 intangible_chaos: there's tons of logic arguments for the existence of god
13.42.13 durtyolman58: [2] logic based on false premises then
13.42.16 lucifire13: WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE BEES?
13.42.17 intangible_chaos: Kalam argument and unmoved mover
13.42.17 ilovejamesbutson: [25] © aaaannnnieeeee i love white chocolate macademia nut cookies
13.42.17 malikulkitaaab: [26] The qur'an has the best arguments for God.
13.42.19 lucifire13: THINK OF THE BEES!
13.42.24 intangible_chaos: Is it false premises?
13.42.25 tahirmylink: waytomuch we claim that GOD has created the universe,and all the human beings collectively cant make even a mosquito,is it not evident?
13.42.33 waytoomuchof: [11] malikulkitaaab: the quran makes god look stupid
13.42.42 malikulkitaaab: [27] chaos, what is the kalam argument.
13.42.42 tahirmylink: even the wing of a mosquito
13.42.42 ilovejamesbutson: [26] © goblins exist or ghosts...
13.42.47 gremlin_net: [10] waytoomuchof: But, stupid things exist. Follow to conclusion.
13.42.54 durtyolman58: [3] tahir, who made your god?
13.42.54 malikulkitaaab: [28] waytoo, that is your opinion.
13.42.56 waytoomuchof: [12] gremlin_net
13.42.56 intangible_chaos: hold on ill copy paste it so i can be accurate...
13.43.00 lucifire13: or...
13.43.00 ilovejamesbutson: [27] © i think this house has goblins too
13.43.03 intangible_chaos: Gods aren't made ;o
13.43.03 lucifire13: go back to sleep...
13.43.11 cody_the_bowhunter: [13] people have made things superior to a mosquito's wing
13.43.15 ilovejamesbutson: [28] © Casper lives here, also.
13.43.16 waytoomuchof: [13] malikulkitaaab: if you want to believe the creator of the universe cares if you beat off, go ahead
13.43.18 durtyolman58: [4] if gods aren't made, neithe are universes
13.43.19 harold_adrian_philby: [14] that human beings can't make something is not evidence that something else had to have made it
13.43.21 intangible_chaos: they are the only infinite/eternal component existence
13.43.22 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: lol
13.43.36 tahirmylink: durty GOD is GOD,he is not supposed to b created thats why he is the GOD
13.43.38 durtyolman58: [5] intangible_chaos, so you say
13.43.54 malikulkitaaab: [29] waytoo, what do you mean?
13.43.59 gremlin_net: [11] Apparently, intangible_chaos regards goblins to be as likely as deities.
13.43.59 intangible_chaos: Premise 1: Everything that begins to exist has a cause. Premise 2: The universe began to exist. Conclusion 1: Therefore, the universe must have a cause.
13.44.06 intangible_chaos: How so, gremlin?
13.44.11 durtyolman58: [6] tahir, if a fod doesn't need a creator, neitehr does the universe
13.44.15 gremlin_net: [12] intangible_chaos: You never answered the question.
13.44.15 intangible_chaos: WHAT ABOUT THE TOOTHFAIRY can you see me rolling my eyes
13.44.24 gremlin_net: [13] intangible_chaos: What logical evidence points to deities while excluding goblins in the same role? <— repost
13.44.29 intangible_chaos: there are differences between a god and goblins, don't try to draw false analogies.
13.44.34 tahirmylink: durty much faint analogy
13.44.37 hal9000servicelogician: [1] Goddamned Yahoo!
13.44.37 ilovejamesbutson: © thanks to god i am a poor fat black stupid girl with no power~ it makes my life simple.
13.44.48 ilovejamesbutson: [30] Waves to hal9000servicelogician
13.44.50 waytoomuchof: [14] malikulkitaaab: if you think you're important enough to the creator of the universe that he has time to watch and condemn what you do, you're being arrogant and your god is being
13.44.51 waytoomuchof: [15] stupid
13.44.55 gremlin_net: [14] intangible_chaos: What are the differences? That's pretty much what I was asking.
13.44.56 lucifire13: SAVE THE BEES ilovejamesbutson
13.44.58 hal9000servicelogician: [2] jamesbuton
13.44.59 lucifire13: GOD
13.45.00 cody_the_bowhunter: [14] what are the differences between god and zeus, then, ?
13.45.01 lucifire13: SAVE THE BEES
13.45.06 ilovejamesbutson: [31] © :BZ
13.45.06 harold_adrian_philby: [15] that there are differences between two made up things doesn't change the fact that they are both made up
13.45.08 intangible_chaos: What are the differences between God and HUman beings?
13.45.09 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: what's wrong with these poor bees
13.45.18 hal9000servicelogician* [3] afk
13.45.23 gremlin_net: [15] intangible_chaos: I'll wait here for you to think up an answer....
13.45.25 lucifire13: colony collapse disorder
13.45.28 ilovejamesbutson: [32] Hurry Back hal9000servicelogician
13.45.34 cody_the_bowhunter: [15] humans are less savage, at least when compared to the bible god, for one
13.45.34 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: sounds frightening
13.45.38 lucifire13: it is
13.45.40 harold_adrian_philby: [16] intang...the most obvious difference is that human beings quite clearly exist
13.45.40 intangible_chaos: You're the one who has to show me how they are at all similar
13.45.41 lucifire13: if the bees die, we all die
13.45.55 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: yes, agreed.
13.45.56 tahirmylink: hello malik how are you?
13.46.01 malikulkitaaab: [30] waytoo, that didn't make sense, God does care about us.
13.46.02 intangible_chaos: That's like saying, "Show me how God and horses aren't the same."
13.46.04 gremlin_net: [16] intangible_chaos: They're both unproved, unevidenced myths believed in my a minority.
13.46.13 lucifire13: so it is important that we stop using chemical based pesticides and herbicides and fertilizers
13.46.15 malikulkitaaab: [31] As salaamu alayquum tahir.
13.46.16 vox_speaks_now: way
13.46.16 harold_adrian_philby: [17] intang...again, that's easy...horses quite clearly exist
13.46.23 lucifire13: and we plant wildflowers whereever we can
13.46.28 tahirmylink: peace malik
13.46.33 gremlin_net: [17] intangible_chaos: Horses have an atomic weight of twelve, and proved under controlled conditions.
13.46.36 gremlin_net: [18] as*
13.46.37 waytoomuchof: [16] malikulkitaaab: that's arrogance. Do you know how big the universe is? Do you know how insignificant this planet and its inhabitants are?
13.46.59 harold_adrian_philby: [18] I can go out to a stable and see a horse. where can I go to see a god?
13.47.00 lucifire13: everyone here should plant a "bee garden" with wildflowers native to your area, as also a part of renaturalization
13.47.08 lubna_thedemonslayer: [1] 12:45:52 (no magic word) imran0333pk: ur family member is good?
13.47.12 lucifire13: or flowerboxes on your patio
13.47.14 intangible_chaos: okay, well t he most obvious difference between goblins and god i sthat GOD may have been a necessary component in order for the universe to have existed
13.47.15 vox_speaks_now: god made this planet just for us christians
13.47.18 cody_the_bowhunter: [16] lubby-kins
13.47.19 gremlin_net: [19] intangible_chaos: Have deities got an atomic weight of twelve? Yes or No will do.
13.47.23 intangible_chaos: whereas goblins are unnecessary and their existence serves no purpose
13.47.24 lucifire13: SAVE THE BEES
13.47.29 ilovejamesbutson: [33] Wake-up intangible_chaos
13.47.31 cody_the_bowhunter: [17] may have been...
13.47.38 intangible_chaos: I don't know if they have an atomic weight
13.47.43 lubna_thedemonslayer: [2] cody
13.47.45 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: i'm sure goblins serve a purpose in the fey world.
13.47.45 malikulkitaaab: [32] waytoo, it seems that way to you, but the universe is smaller than an atom to God.
13.47.56 ilovejamesbutson: [34] © Goblins have a purpose, more so than humans
13.48.06 waytoomuchof: [17] malikulkitaaab: prove your god is real, then you can prove how you know that
13.48.09 intangible_chaos: Do goblins or the fey world serve a NECESSARY purpose in order for the world to have possibly even begun?
13.48.10 intangible_chaos: no
13.48.12 ilovejamesbutson: [35] © You unaware of the supernatural peon.
13.48.17 gremlin_net: [20] intangible_chaos: So the exclusion of universebuilding goblins relies on your personal, subjective definition of goblins, while deities build universes by your other personal, subjective definition. How logical.
13.48.18 vox_speaks_now: the universe is god's ant farm
13.48.19 mitzjob: God...go figure
13.48.21 tahirmylink: malik i want to focus what i think,the denial of a thing is a claim in itself,is it not?
13.48.27 lucifire13: we have to save the wild bee popluations or we will be forced to rely on the killer bees
13.48.34 cody_the_bowhunter: [18] why does god just not prove his existence to the entire world, versus the hearsay of revelation through unreliable human sources?
13.48.36 intangible_chaos: Well, if goblins built the universe, then they could be analogous with god
13.48.41 ilovejamesbutson: [36] © X_Xnow you see the goblin ~ now you don't.
13.48.42 intangible_chaos: and would have to have the same form as god
13.48.43 malikulkitaaab: [33] yes it is tahir.
13.48.48 mitzjob: Buck?
13.48.49 harold_adrian_philby: [19] what if horses built the world?
13.48.55 intangible_chaos: So you might as well call them God instead of Goblins
13.48.59 cody_the_bowhunter: [19] yes, mitzjob?
13.48.59 malikulkitaaab: [34] waytoo, you and me are the proof of God.
13.49.00 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: fairie build the world?
13.49.02 mitzjob: God is dead and no one cares
13.49.16 mitzjob: If there is a Hell I'll see you there
13.49.17 bzam59:
13.49.19 durtyolman58: [7] malik, you're not proof of anything
13.49.22 tahirmylink: mitzjob he was alive earliar?
13.49.23 intangible_chaos: and your analogy of approaching me with something of goblins, something which isn't god, and then changing the definition of them to something similar as god, is ridiculous
13.49.29 gremlin_net: [21] intangible_chaos: But they'd be called goblins. And you'd be boasting that you have logical evidence of goblins. That you summarily reject goblins as universebuilders without reason tells me about your logic.
13.49.31 vox_speaks_now: atheists are like fish swimming in the ocean while screaming "there is no water"
13.49.35 bzam59:
13.49.47 intangible_chaos: because we weren't considering goblins as universe builders
13.49.47 lucifire13: save the bees
13.49.51 tahirmylink: durty you cant make even a sensible analogy
13.49.51 waytoomuchof: [18] tahirmylink: false. Consider the fable of The Emporer's New Clothes. We don't see your god and believing in it is pointless because you could be believing in the wrong god. Without
13.49.52 waytoomuchof: [19] evidence, there is no way to know
13.49.56 ilovejamesbutson: [37] © A goblin is an imaginary evil, crabby, and mischievous creature described as a grotesquely disfigured or gnome -like phantom, that may range in height from that of a dwarf to that of a human . They are attributed with various (sometimes conflicting) abilities, temperaments
13.49.56 ilovejamesbutson: [38] and appearances depending on the story and country of origin. In some cases, goblins have been classified as constant annoying little creatures somewhat related with the brownie .
13.50.00 gremlin_net: [22] intangible_chaos: And, that you led with that stupid a priori logical evidence tells me that you've got nothing better ready to go. Ge back to me when you think of something less flimsy.
13.50.01 malikulkitaaab: [35] What caused our universe? God.
13.50.11 waytoomuchof: [20] malikulkitaaab: prove it
13.50.13 cody_the_bowhunter: [20] since god is ineffable, intangible, you have no more idea of the substance of god than anyone else...to say you do is the pinnacle of arrogance
13.50.14 intangible_chaos: YOU SAID THAT HORSES HAD AN ATOMIC WEIGHT BUT MAYBE I DIDNT MEAN THOSE HORSES MAYBE I MEANT THE IMAGINARY HORSES
13.50.18 intangible_chaos: that tells me something about your logic
13.50.20 tahirmylink: waytoomuch the denial of something also needs proof
13.50.23 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: ok, forget goblins.. what about pixies
13.50.32 gremlin_net: [23] intangible_chaos: So you're moving your goalposts? Whee. Tell someone stupid.
13.50.32 intangible_chaos: When did I say anything about the substance of god...?
13.50.34 ilovejamesbutson: [38] © According to "The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English," the name is probably derived from the Anglo-French gobelin (which was rendered, in Medieval Latin , as gobelinus), which is probably a diminutive of Gobel, a name related to the word kobold (a German sprite).
13.50.34 ilovejamesbutson: [39] In addition, there also exist various other alternative spellings of the word goblin, including: Gobblin, gobeline, gobling, goblyn, gobelinus (Medieval Latin).
13.50.44 intangible_chaos: you moved your goal posts
13.50.46 durtyolman58: [8] tahirmylink, there is a possibility a god liek being created the univers, it is ridiculous to think that god cares if humans eat prok
13.50.51 intangible_chaos: you talked about goblins, something which have a definition other than god
13.50.56 intangible_chaos: and then changed the definition to god
13.50.56 waytoomuchof: [21] tahirmylink: I don't deny real things. God is not real until there is evidence. I admit the possibility of a god existing, I just don't believe it
13.50.58 mitzjob: "God is not a concept...God is death." Ezra Pound
13.50.58 intangible_chaos: thats ridiculous
13.50.59 durtyolman58: [9] tahirmylink, your definition of god is stupid
13.51.17 gremlin_net: [24] intangible_chaos: No I didn't. Goblins remain goblins: mythical, unevidenced creatues.
13.51.21 malikulkitaaab: [36] cody, we all share the same potential to realize God.
13.51.22 tahirmylink: durty so what is your definition?
13.51.23 cody_the_bowhunter: [21] intangible, you speak as if YOU know the definition of god
13.51.32 titoo_to4455: www.sultan.org best site in all internet in religion
13.51.33 gremlin_net: [25] creatures*
13.51.36 titoo_to4455: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=59353661964
13.51.37 intangible_chaos: so what? A unicorn is an unevidenced creature but i wouldn't say that it is identical to a piece of shit
13.51.37 durtyolman58: [10] some kind of god like thing may exist, no god ever define my man existed
13.51.40 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: ok, forget goblins and fairies.. what about gnomes.
13.51.46 mitzjob: Ja
13.51.47 cody_the_bowhunter: [22] again, malik, just because you say it is so proves nothing
13.51.51 intangible_chaos: because there is a popular conception of what a unicorn is, a definition
13.51.52 durtyolman58: [11] tahir, I can't define a god, no man can
13.52.00 gremlin_net: [26] intangible_chaos: You're unaware of the evidence for shit? You're an idiot; we're done here.
13.52.00 tahirmylink: durty the pork/drink etc are mere symbols ,the real thing is GOD wants to test the true folllowers
13.52.00 ilovejamesbutson: © One fabled origin for goblins is in Britain . They then began to spread all through the UK from there they sneaked aboard ships. Where they sailed to France then rapidly spread all over Europe [2][3] They have no homes, being nomadic , dwelling temporarily in mossy cracks in rocks and tree roots
13.52.01 titoo_to4455: www.sultan.org best site in all internet in religion
13.52.04 cody_the_bowhunter: [23] I can prove a piece of shit
13.52.04 harold_adrian_philby: [20] intangible...and a unicorn wouldn't be identical to a piece of shit, because pieces of shit actually exist
13.52.05 malikulkitaaab: [37] cody, the universe has a cause, God.
13.52.09 intangible_chaos: if you are going to break the bounds of definitions whenever it is convenient for you then there can be no logical argument
13.52.11 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: lol
13.52.12 durtyolman58: [12] tahirmylink, you just believe what your mom told you and she believed what she was told
13.52.13 new_crusader_2000: [2] Yahaven! Flood Post Ignore: titoo_to4455
13.52.14 intangible_chaos: Okay, how about GOBLIN SHIT
13.52.16 tahirmylink: durty and what is our claim about GOD?
13.52.23 ilovejamesbutson: © Sir Walter Scott in his Letters on Demonology and Witchcraft ascribed gnomes, kobolds and goblins, along with Scottish bogles, to all correspond with a caricature of the Sami people .[citation needed ]
13.52.28 cody_the_bowhunter: [24] circular logic, malik...your repetition proves nothing
13.52.37 durtyolman58: [13] tahirmylink, that it will judge man, that it has made rules for man to follow
13.52.38 intangible_chaos: anyway, thats kinda my point. I could just change the definition of God to human beings and then look GOD EXISTS and it was just your subjective definition of GOD which meant that he didn't exist.
13.52.40 tahirmylink: durty it implies only you can think?
13.52.42 gremlin_net: [27] Anyone else got evidence of deities? Someone selfaware, perhaps? No? Right. What else is new....
13.52.52 durtyolman58: [14] tahir, it implies you don't think
13.53.07 intangible_chaos: your logic fails, gremlin
13.53.13 tahirmylink: durty i think you are not in a way to think
13.53.14 hunter.the_crazychick: [1] Gremlin
13.53.14 intangible_chaos: especially your gigantic fallacies...
13.53.16 sugar_with_coffee_and_cream30: the gnomes that live under my bed told me that god does infact exist.
13.53.18 gremlin_net: [28] Nevermind. This is stupid enough that I'm keeping it. Be back in a bit....
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